One point you're missing is that accessibility could be designed into much of this stuff if they wanted to. Obviously they don't care. My stereo system that is 30 years old is much more accessible than stuff that is out there these days. Just because it is the latest doesn't make it the greatest. Take ham radio gear, for example. Kenwood has made their stuff talk for years and their latest stuff talks well and is completely accessible to us. Yaesu, on the other hand, does not talk at all and they have made it plain they don't care. My point is it can be done with today's technology if companies are willing.
73
Butch
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

and the wo-is-me party continues...

come on guys! instead of being so negative, be happy that we have all this great stuff. it may not work as well as we like sometimes, but we have it.




On 1/14/2017 9:16 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
 And lets take a look at what Apple did with the current version of Itunes.
 It's not nearly as accessible as it was in version 11.

 -----Original Message----- From: Dave via Talk
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:58 AM
 To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

 Hi Jim,

 There are all kinds of examples.  In Becky, I once had the ability to
 Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability.

 Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require
 more effort on my part to find the same information.

 Ebay is a simple example.  I once could easily type in the item I was
 looking for and run a search.  Now I need to take a few extra steps to
 do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search
 results is quite flaky.

 This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes
 doing something wrong.  But the bottom line is that I now am working
 harder to get where I once could go fairly easily.

 The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an
 account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a
 Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I
 could not create the account.  I'll need to get sighted help to do this
 in the next day or two.

 Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of
 features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200. My
 screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again,
 it might not.

 Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always
 have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read
 all the selections, choices and options.

 This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes
 responsible for the two steps backwards.

 Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading
 company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other
 programs.

 Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer
 choices.  I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my
 Wife.  I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from
 time to time.  The machines had buttons.  Well, it turns out, even
 though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the
 exact cycle wanted for that load of wash.  And the dryer isn't any
 easier.  It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen
 in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc.

 I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push
 and in which order, to do a simple load of wash.

 There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them
 accurately.

 The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use. I can
 pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of
 those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call.

 customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well. Not
 well enough to effectively use it.  Same with the Tech Data base.

 I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two
 back.  Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up
 with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing
 for most Blind.  We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page,
 or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get
 to the feature to use it.


 I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is
 stuck in the past.

 However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic
 equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it
 comes to using it.    Hundreds of features are there, for the few who
 might need to use them.  But most features go un used, and yet, the
 manufacturers can say their phone has more features, or our program has
 more choices etc. etc. etc.


 So, I do believe we the Blind are losing the level of accessibility we
 once had in the past.

 Grumpy Dave



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