I'm sure it's not as simple as, "they don't care." On 1/14/2017 6:25 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > One point you're missing is that accessibility could be designed into > much of this stuff if they wanted to. Obviously they don't care. My > stereo system that is 30 years old is much more accessible than stuff > that is out there these days. Just because it is the latest doesn't > make it the greatest. Take ham radio gear, for example. Kenwood has > made their stuff talk for years and their latest stuff talks well and is > completely accessible to us. Yaesu, on the other hand, does not talk at > all and they have made it plain they don't care. My point is it can be > done with today's technology if companies are willing. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > >> and the wo-is-me party continues... >> >> come on guys! instead of being so negative, be happy that we have all >> this great stuff. it may not work as well as we like sometimes, but we >> have it. >> >> >> >> >> On 1/14/2017 9:16 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: >>> And lets take a look at what Apple did with the current version of >>> Itunes. >>> It's not nearly as accessible as it was in version 11. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Dave via Talk >>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:58 AM >>> To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Going Backward in Accessibility? >>> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> There are all kinds of examples. In Becky, I once had the ability to >>> Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability. >>> >>> Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require >>> more effort on my part to find the same information. >>> >>> Ebay is a simple example. I once could easily type in the item I was >>> looking for and run a search. Now I need to take a few extra steps to >>> do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search >>> results is quite flaky. >>> >>> This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes >>> doing something wrong. But the bottom line is that I now am working >>> harder to get where I once could go fairly easily. >>> >>> The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an >>> account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a >>> Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I >>> could not create the account. I'll need to get sighted help to do this >>> in the next day or two. >>> >>> Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of >>> features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200. My >>> screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then >>> again, >>> it might not. >>> >>> Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always >>> have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to >>> read >>> all the selections, choices and options. >>> >>> This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window >>> Eyes >>> responsible for the two steps backwards. >>> >>> Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading >>> company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many >>> other >>> programs. >>> >>> Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer >>> choices. I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my >>> Wife. I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from >>> time to time. The machines had buttons. Well, it turns out, even >>> though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the >>> exact cycle wanted for that load of wash. And the dryer isn't any >>> easier. It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the >>> screen >>> in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc. >>> >>> I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push >>> and in which order, to do a simple load of wash. >>> >>> There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them >>> accurately. >>> >>> The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use. I can >>> pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of >>> those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call. >>> >>> customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well. Not >>> well enough to effectively use it. Same with the Tech Data base. >>> >>> I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two >>> back. Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up >>> with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing >>> for most Blind. We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page, >>> or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get >>> to the feature to use it. >>> >>> >>> I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is >>> stuck in the past. >>> >>> However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic >>> equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics >>> when it >>> comes to using it. Hundreds of features are there, for the few who >>> might need to use them. But most features go un used, and yet, the >>> manufacturers can say their phone has more features, or our program has >>> more choices etc. etc. etc. >>> >>> >>> So, I do believe we the Blind are losing the level of accessibility we >>> once had in the past. >>> >>> Grumpy Dave >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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