Nope. All messages, menus and so forth, will be in ONE, and only ONE
language. The voices are there only to let you read other languages.
Yet, say you have turned on Eloquence french, due to you mainly working
with French documents and websites. If your WinEyes is installed under
an English license, all the WinEyes produced messages, will be send as
English phrases to a French synthesizer. Try for a moment yourself, and
see what it all will sound like.
You don't think there are all that many phrases, so it can't be that
much of an issue? Well, try to scroll down a website. All the screen
reader produced messages like:
Link,
Paragraph,
Combobox,
Editbox,
Read-Only,
and so forth, are send in the language of your screen reader
installation, no matter which language is supported by your currently
chosen voice.
Or, try it under your favorite Email program. The phrases like:
Read,
Unread,
Attachment,
And so on, again are send in the language of your installation. Try to
listen too a Spanish voice, or an Italian one, pronounce the English
phrases. Judge for yourself.
Been the trouble with WE for all times, that they never understood
people could have more than one language, and would need to switch
several times in a day. Hey all you Canadians, you would at least know
what it means to read more than one language.
Greatest thing would be if they could release a multi-lingual license -
holding all supported languages. And now, if they then could let it even
be set to switch automatically to the language supported by the
currently active synth, they would have done a great job. But all my
requests for such features, have been met with loads of excuses and
words about being unable, due to licensing and worries of piracy. Not
sure what would make such a multi-lingual version more vulnerable to
piracy, but that is the explanation GW has been offering me for the last
decade.
Well, just wanted to illustrate a point for you all. Other International
and non-English users will know what i am talking about, and may be able
to offer you more illustrative cases.
Yet, may I ask you who are all English-speaking users, how would you
accept if I released a screen reader that gave all its menus and
internal messages in German? So every time you browsed the net, or every
time you pressed the Ctrl-Home in a text document, you got the phrases
from the screen reader, with German text pronounced by your English
voice? Here, let me save you all the hazzle. Simply let your current
English voice read the following messages, and imagine your day being
filled with this kind of working conditions. Then, you please come back
and tell me how many of you would pay for the product. Smile.
nur-Lese,
Eingabefeld für den,
ungelesen,
Lesen,
Anlage,
Anfang des Dokuments,
Zeilenende.
On 2/4/2017 12:55 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Window Eyes paid version comes with synthesizers in multi languages. Don't
> know if the program is in other languages or not.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: WinEyes and licensing
>
>
> I didn't know we only get one language. I was lead to believe that all the
> languages were in there and we could choose whatever language we wanted to
> install. Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:29 PM
> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Don Smith'
> Subject: WinEyes and licensing
>
> Vaughn,
> I just wanted to hook on to one point you made. And that is the one
> about the free Office Offer of WinEyes, in comparison with the paid-for
> versions.
> You said:
>
> "
>
> Part of my complaint is that the Window-Eyes for Office programme, which is
> free to those who use it, get permanent access to the full install, but
> paying customers do not."
>
> (End Of Quote).
>
> See, if you happen to own one of the required versions of Office, you
> can download WinEyes in English, German, french or Norwegian, or any of
> the other supported languages. Do you fork out enough money to pay for
> your screen reader, you all the sudden are forced, bound and locked to
> ONLY one language; even if you are in want of a change down the road. In
> addition, you are told that now, since you paid for the product, you no
> longer can install it on how many computers you want. Oh no, now you
> have a limit to your installations - at least in parts of the world. The
> reason, that is given from GWMicro and up, is that if they let you
> install an English copy of WinEyes on a computer located in Scandinavia,
> that would lead to people making pirate copies. Huh? sorry, but how come
> the Free Offer does not lead to piracy? Since they can give it away in
> all languages, why can't they give the paid-for customers free choice of
> languages? In fact, why not simply release ONE version of WinEyes,
> holding a setting that determines which language would be the active
> one, at any given time. Other manufacturers can, so why has such never
> been an alternative with this screen reader, or with Jaws?
>
> To me, and I guess a few other International users, the whole thing
> becomes even more illogical, all the time the free offer can be
> downloaded and installed in whatever language you might want.
>
> Now that most customer service seem to be gone, at least for the moment,
> I start to wonder what would make people pay for the product. If the
> free offer does give you better functionality and higher choices, and
> the paid-for version no longer receive all that much individual support,
> I really am reluctant to what benefit the 50, 100, or 175 dollar
> upgrades do give us any longer. And the day people stop paying? Is that
> the day they are awaiting, before the plug could be pulled, now fully
> supported by the fact that money stopped coming in?
>
> Sure, some users might feel it is worth to pay, simply due to them
> thereby supporting the further development. But for many users, economy
> is an issue, and when they already have paid who knows how many
> thousands through the years, and now no longer receive much benefit of
> keep paying, where would that take them? My guess is, if they want to
> see the big multitude continue to pay, there might be a need for some
> revision on the whole licensing and offering of the product line. As a
> matter of fact, since you have paid for your product, why give you a
> download window at all? Why not simply give you some kind of a log-in
> credencial, and then let your copy of the product be made available for
> downloading, anytime you might need it in the future? Fact is, they
> already do that with your free upgrades, like the recent one. I haven't
> seen any notice come up, that told me the upgrade would need to be
> downloaded within a given time scope. If you don't upgrade for two
> weeks, the upgrade will be ready for you still. But if you want your
> original, paid-for instalation copy, then you all the sudden are under
> loads of restrictions.
>
> Perhaps I am missing something. But to me this simply does not make
> logic sense. If you are under no real restriction long as you go free,
> why then is it that you are loaded with restrictions any time you pay?
> Shouldn't it be, and isn't it with many other products, the opposite way
> - Freeware with restrictions, and pay to have all your benefits?
>
> Let's just hope, whatever comes next in the way of WinEyes, Jaws, or a
> combined product, that they come up with better licensing terms, which
> to a much higher extent reflects the fact that a great number of users
> now aday are multi-lingual. And let's hope they make it low-cost and
> beneficial, or simply just go free altogether. When NVDA manage to offer
> people greater flexibility, and as time goes by becomes more
> full-fledged, it does pose a stress on the expenses tied to either of
> the mainstream screen readers.
>
> I still feel that a good product deserve its reasonable pricing. As
> such, NVDA has not yet reached the level of becoming a real alternative
> for the more advanced group of users. But WinEyes, Jaws and the rest of
> the mainstream readers, might have to undergo some kind of revision if
> they want to advocate their high pricing. When one and same product can
> be had with better advantages for free, than the paid-for copies, I am
> afraid that is a slow pull of the plug.
>
> OK then, we do not know if something is on its way. Maybe the licensing
> already is being revised. But as things stand today, it makes you wonder
> why not spend your next fifty dollars on an upgrade of your computer
> hardware, and then go for the free Office-version of WinEyes. A couple
> of paid-for upgrades, or one SMA, and I guess you almost could get hold
> of a full version of one of the supported Office versions.
>
> On 2/2/2017 8:23 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
> > Hi Don.
> >
> > Glad that at least one paying customer is getting a level of support that
> > should be expected.
> >
> > My experience is frustrating.
> >
> > I no longer request the DVD, as the last one took more than six weeks to
> > arrive. I like the option of requesting a personalised downloadable
> > edition of the full release.
> >
> > My grumpiness with this is that I recently asked for an extension of the
> > period before my serialised link expired. I've been given 36 hours from
> > two different sources. IN other words - two personalised links, each
> > available to me separately for 36 hours.
> >
> > I have laid a complaint with the AI Squared sales people.
> >
> > The Window-Eyes specific technical support has gone. The second link I
> > received which expired (as did the first one) before I opened the email
> > came from VFO technical support. The physical address is in St
> > Petersburg. Surely: it would have made sense to rationalise sales ahead
> > of technical support, and emails from all over the place direct me to GW
> > Micro.com - what a lovely place that once was!
> >
> > Part of my complaint is that the Window-Eyes for Office programme, which
> > is free to those who use it, get permanent access to the full install,
> but
> > paying customers do not.
> >
> > Don: agree with you that VFO is a funnyt name. Why is it not VFOA, so
> > that AI Squared is acknowledged.
> >
> > In polite company: VFO stands for "very frustrating organisation" and in
> > less genteel gatherings, substitute frustrating for another adjective.
> >
> >
> > Vaughan.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> On
> > Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 5:26 p.m.
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Subject: Just in passing
> >
> > Hi Folks:
> >
> > First, I think fo is the strangest name for a company that I have ever
> > heard.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, I called the other day to purchase a cd with win eyes on it and
> > although, it seemed they were a little muddled at first, but, then put me
> > on to another person.
> >
> > They were busy and I left a message re my request thinking would they
> take
> > care of it.
> >
> > Well got a call today and all is ok, the cd is being sent and that is to
> > Canada
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
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