I just got an android in Nov.  I really like it and use talk back to send 
tests.  It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.  I'm76 and 
fairly computer stupid, but am learning.  I put a braille dot where the speaker 
phone button is, and it works pretty well.  Doesn't replace W.E., but is handy.

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:54:26 -0500
Reeva Webb via Talk <[email protected]> wrote:

> You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the
> past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
> electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
> and soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't
> have to spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with
> zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm
> seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find
> myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.
> 
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you completely!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
> To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
> 
> Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch
> screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
> worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone....
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> 
> > I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
> > become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
> > things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
> > for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
> > phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
> > searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
> > of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of
> time.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> > Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account
> >
> > Greetings all.
> >
> > I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
> > We are promised CSUN updates in April.
> >
> > In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
> > going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
> > pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
> > leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible
> information sources.
> >
> > Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
> > blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.
> >
> > One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
> > although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
> > fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
> > developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
> > the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique VFO's
> behaviours.
> >
> > Vaughan.
> >
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