They could create an installment plan the way Window Eyes has, (or had), I
don't know these days. It wouldn't be hard, but as far as I know, they won't
consider it.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:17 PM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
Yeah! but the prices make it to where a fair number of the blind can't buy a
screen reader. I know there's a lot of work that goes into creating and
keeping a screen reader up to date. But, I also know there are a lot of
Government substities for such. Just like the Lighthouse's get donations,
grants, and tax exempt status, and yet there products cost twice as much as
open market products. Tell me this, how many of the top 10 people at Freedom
scifi, or VFO are actually blind??? These top 10 are also the top wage,
bonus, expense, earners, and so on and so forth.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:33 PM
To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
To be fair, the disparity between the price of a screen reader and the
price of a desk top has everything to do with supply and demand. Fewer
consumers are purchasing desk tops. Until most screen reader users
replace their screen readers with Iphone-like products, the price of a
screen reader will likely not decrease much.
On 3/16/2017 5:35 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:
Hmmm, how about a screenreader company that charges more for their
product than a decent desktop these days? Some people might call that
being "penalized" simply to access their PC, something any sighted
person can do right out of the box.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
Yes. Somebody said about something: "The only way it's hard is if you
make
it hard". Well, it seems to me that that is quight subjective. He is
speaking from his own experience. Those of us who don't rush to get every
little new thing don't think that way. I don't see why we should be
penalized because we don't want a touch screen or whatever the newest
thing
is. Pam.
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
I understand that. And that is great, for you. I just can't deal with
touch screens. Give me buttons to push. As I said in an earlier note,
the same solution isn't for everyone. You guys and your i whatevers
think they solve the world's access problems. Perhaps for some they do.
I can't figure out how to run my IPod.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Russ Kiehne
via Talk wrote:
In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader
stream first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket. It
has more volume, better battery life and better sound. It does
everything they do and a lot more.
-----Original Message----- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account
You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had
in the
past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
and soon windows computers with accessibility out of the box. You don't
have to spend extra money unless you want to. While what is happening
with
zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm
seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find
myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.
"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
Reeva
On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I agree with you completely!
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a
touch
screen. They are not for everyone. I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group. if it works for me, it is great for everyone....
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of
time.
-----Original Message----- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account
Greetings all.
I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
We are promised CSUN updates in April.
In the 21st Century, and with our accessible technology industry
going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible
information sources.
Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it
iehter.
One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
developments in the specialty area of access. The same seems true on
the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique VFO's
behaviours.
Vaughan.
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