I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's a option.
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi there! Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have A Great Day! de <JF8LT><Jim>. On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: > If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to > sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. > > On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> We don't know WE is going away. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> Hi Sky and List >> >> >> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >> >> >> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and >> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be >> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention >> price for jaws. >> >> >> Just a thought, >> >> Brenda >> >> >> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not >>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is >>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Email 1: >>> >>> Hi Sky, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These >>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The >>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other >>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded >>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but >>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and >>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? >>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set >>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If >>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened >>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the >>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who >>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above >>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and >>> back us up we would have enough to at least make >> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true >>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a >>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. >>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. >>> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He >>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media >>> cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his >>> control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There >>> isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That >>> is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. >>> >>> >>> >>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm >>> what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up >>> a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so >>> called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may >>> not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short >>> time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a >>> corrupt and >> overbearing system. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Email 2: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM >>> To: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: Re: window eyes proposal >>> >>> Hi Sky, >>> >>> I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but >>> really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. >>> ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws >>> users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and >>> fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. >>> I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was >>> right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new >>> updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has >>> to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and >>> make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for >>> sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No >>> development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. >>> No sma's means >> they are stealing our money under false pretences. >>> >>> This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, >>> whether it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state their position. >> Something. >>> All the conjecture on the list has to stop and positive action taken >>> by those who wish to keep window-eyes alive. What was stated in that >>> podcast, whether it is the opinions or not of the people who are >>> making the statements. It was made so clear, "No development of >>> window-eyes will continue". Only those areas where profit is to be >>> made >> will be supported. >>> That was made abundantly clear. That wasn't just an opinion, it was >>> a matter of fact. >>> >>> Live long and prosper, John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Sky, >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office was a >>> demo, that it wasn't a full version, it only lasted 6 months, it >>> only lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by vendors. The >>> vendors favoured Jaws because it brought them more profit. In that >>> the Big blind organisations reckomended jaws above other screen >>> readers. When those in Education, employment and other fields >>> contacted the rnib etc with questions about screen readers. What did >>> they get? They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations for >>> window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened iwth me. I lost a job because of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, followed >>> by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were >>> designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky that was >>> the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of everything, the >>> dam high cost of everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM >>> To: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal >>> >>> Hi Sky, >>> >>> Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was willing to >>> fight gw's corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, that's >>> one >> reason. >>> The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved >>> conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS seuing >>> institutions if they didn't approve of jaws over any other screen >>> reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be put in >>> jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may >>> happen and that's another reason we didn't do anything about the situation. >>> >>> Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed the >>> post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m >>> a's were and would be available in the future. >>> Yet he wasn't willing to actualy prove that was the case. He didn't >>> post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the case. >>> I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof is in >>> the email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of s m >>> a's are >> made. >>> >>> There isn't much time left for VFO to make an official statement >>> about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. >>> >>> Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep >>> window-eyes >> alive. >>> The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the time >>> comes. >>> >>> Live long and prosper, John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us springing >>> into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive and >>> get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in >>> organisations for the >> blind. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM >>> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> Hi Vaughan: >>> >>> Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO >>> works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to create >>> a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore Window-eyes >>> for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen readerws. >>> Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent people >>> from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to creating a >>> JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt >>> that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. >>> Kevin Huber and >>> >>> On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. >>>> >>>> Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. >>>> The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will >>>> most certainly come to an end. >>>> The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development >>>> of JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. >>>> >>>> The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing >>>> user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of >>>> new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the >>>> deal, and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they >>>> had access to two free screen readers. >>>> >>>> There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. >>>> >>>> >>>> Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with >>>> Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to >>>> develop interfaces for products from software competitors" and so forth. >>>> >>>> Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means >>>> you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of >>>> the Orbit >>> project >>>> is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW >>>> driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the >>>> Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non >>>> VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for >>>> discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec are part >>>> of the >> group. >>>> >>>> >>>> Vaughan. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Vaughan. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:[email protected]. >>>> co m] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk >>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>>> >>>> and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes into >>>> jaws or just give us a free jaws for office option. because for >>>> some people NVDA does not cut it, and we need something more >>>> powerful, yet that is low cost or free. a jaws for office would >>>> work fine especially if you need to do stuff in microsoft office. >>>> not to mention jaws works good with the orbit >>>> reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. >>>> window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group >>>> let us >>> use >>>> jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>> the >>> author >>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan. >>> dodd00 >>> 1%40msd.govt.nz. >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> This email and any attachments may contain information that is >>> confidential >>>> and subject to legal privilege. 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