I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim via Talk To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are >> saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >> from someone >> > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to >> think it's >> > a option. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk >> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM >> > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> > >> > Hi there! >> > >> > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going >> away? >> > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and >> until I >> > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I >> am getting >> > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over >> and over. I >> > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I >> just want >> > to see where all this so called information is actually coming >> from..? Have >> > A Great Day! de >> > >> > <JF8LT><Jim>. >> > >> > >> > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice >> bridge to >> >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real >> cheap. >> >> >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> >>> We don't know WE is going away. >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Talk >> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >> >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >>> >> >>> Hi Sky and List >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO >> and >> >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >> >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >> >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs >> would be >> >>> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the >> convention >> >>> price for jaws. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Just a thought, >> >>> >> >>> Brenda >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the >> blind >> >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would >> not >> >>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >> >>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is >> >>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Email 1: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >> >>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >> >>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >> >>>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. >> These >> >>>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The >> >>>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every >> other >> >>>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded >> >>>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but >> >>>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and >> >>>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? >> >>>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry >> organisation set >> >>>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If >> >>>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened >> >>>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the >> >>>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at >> jaws who >> >>>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws >> above >> >>>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come >> out and >> >>>> back us up we would have enough to at least make >> >>> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept >> responcibility. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true >> >>>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a >> >>>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a >> dog with >> > no teeth. >> >>>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >> >>>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from >> combining. >> >>>> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He >> >>>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media >> >>>> cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his >> >>>> control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There >> >>>> isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. >> That >> >>>> is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other >> organisations for >> > the blind. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm >> >>>> what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could >> get up >> >>>> a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so >> >>>> called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It >> may >> >>>> not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short >> >>>> time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a >> >>>> corrupt and >> >>> overbearing system. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Email 2: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM >> >>>> To: Sky Mundell >> >>>> Subject: Re: window eyes proposal >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but >> >>>> really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech >> podcast. >> >>>> ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws >> >>>> users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and >> >>>> fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO >> idea. >> >>>> I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was >> >>>> right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new >> >>>> updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really >> has >> >>>> to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and >> >>>> make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for >> >>>> sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No >> >>>> development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for >> sma's. >> >>>> No sma's means >> >>> they are stealing our money under false pretences. >> >>>> This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, >> >>>> whether it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state their >> > position. >> >>> Something. >> >>>> All the conjecture on the list has to stop and positive action >> taken >> >>>> by those who wish to keep window-eyes alive. What was stated in >> that >> >>>> podcast, whether it is the opinions or not of the people who are >> >>>> making the statements. It was made so clear, "No development of >> >>>> window-eyes will continue". Only those areas where profit is to be >> >>>> made >> >>> will be supported. >> >>>> That was made abundantly clear. That wasn't just an opinion, it >> was >> >>>> a matter of fact. >> >>>> >> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office was a >> >>>> demo, that it wasn't a full version, it only lasted 6 months, it >> >>>> only lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by vendors. The >> >>>> vendors favoured Jaws because it brought them more profit. In that >> >>>> the Big blind organisations reckomended jaws above other screen >> >>>> readers. When those in Education, employment and other fields >> >>>> contacted the rnib etc with questions about screen readers. >> What did >> >>>> they get? They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations for >> >>>> window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened iwth >> me. I lost >> > a job because of it. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, >> followed >> >>>> by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were >> >>>> designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky that >> was >> >>>> the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of >> everything, the >> >>>> dam high cost of everything. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM >> >>>> To: Sky Mundell >> >>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was >> willing to >> >>>> fight gw's corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, >> that's >> >>>> one >> >>> reason. >> >>>> The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved >> >>>> conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS >> seuing >> >>>> institutions if they didn't approve of jaws over any other screen >> >>>> reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be >> put in >> >>>> jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may >> >>>> happen and that's another reason we didn't do anything about the >> > situation. >> >>>> Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed the >> >>>> post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m >> >>>> a's were and would be available in the future. >> >>>> Yet he wasn't willing to actualy prove that was the case. He >> didn't >> >>>> post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the >> case. >> >>>> I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof >> is in >> >>>> the email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of s m >> >>>> a's are >> >>> made. >> >>>> There isn't much time left for VFO to make an official statement >> >>>> about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. >> >>>> >> >>>> Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep >> >>>> window-eyes >> >>> alive. >> >>>> The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the time >> >>>> comes. >> >>>> >> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us >> springing >> >>>> into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive and >> >>>> get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in >> >>>> organisations for the >> >>> blind. >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM >> >>>> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >>>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Vaughan: >> >>>> >> >>>> Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO >> >>>> works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to >> create >> >>>> a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore >> Window-eyes >> >>>> for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen >> readerws. >> >>>> Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent >> people >> >>>> from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to >> creating a >> >>>> JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt >> >>>> that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. >> >>>> Kevin Huber and >> >>>> >> >>>> On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>>> I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. >> >>>>> The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme >> will >> >>>>> most certainly come to an end. >> >>>>> The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued >> development >> >>>>> of JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing >> >>>>> user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of >> >>>>> new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the >> >>>>> deal, and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because >> they >> >>>>> had access to two free screen readers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with >> >>>>> Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to >> >>>>> develop interfaces for products from software competitors" and so >> > forth. >> >>>>> Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means >> >>>>> you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the >> objective of >> >>>>> the Orbit >> >>>> project >> >>>>> is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a >> JFW >> >>>>> driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed >> by the >> >>>>> Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non >> >>>>> VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for >> >>>>> discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec are >> part >> >>>>> of the >> >>> group. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Vaughan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Vaughan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>> From: Talk >> >>>>> >> [mailto:[email protected]. >> >>>>> co m] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk >> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. >> >>>>> To: [email protected] >> >>>>> Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >>>>> >> >>>>> and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes >> into >> >>>>> jaws or just give us a free jaws for office option. because for >> >>>>> some people NVDA does not cut it, and we need something more >> >>>>> powerful, yet that is low cost or free. a jaws for office would >> >>>>> work fine especially if you need to do stuff in microsoft office. >> >>>>> not to mention jaws works good with the orbit >> >>>>> reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. >> >>>>> window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group >> >>>>> let us >> >>>> use >> >>>>> jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> >>>>> the >> >>>> author >> >>>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For membership options, visit >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan. >> >>>> dodd00 >> >>>> 1%40msd.govt.nz. >> >>>>> For subscription options, visit >> >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >>>>> List archives can be found at >> >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>> This email and any attachments may contain information that is >> >>>> confidential >> >>>>> and subject to legal privilege. 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