Hi Don, If you regularly call the same telephone menu, you can program pauses into the dialing sequence by adding a comma or two, followed by the numbers to dial, followed by more commas and more numbers etc.
Hth, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:32 PM To: net bat <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Speaking of those things I don't like on the iPhone, how about when you make a phone call into an automated system where you have to type more numbers. The keypad is hidden when the call is answered, so you have to tap around to unhide the keyboard to type the additional numbers. By that time, the thing may have timed out and disconnected you. I know that I can use headphones, but that is just another piece of junk to keep with you. Having said that, I won't give up my iPhone because of the numerous things it can do for me including but not limited to GPS, internet radio, podcasts, book reading and on and on and on. Don Roberts On 4/6/2017 11:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: > one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file > structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't > even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. > *** > but. . . > since i found out about the item chooser it makes > sifari browseing much easier to use. > i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between > running apps. > not to open a list of all the links on the web page. > > -----Original Message----- From: Rod Hutton via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Windows screen readers > > Hi Butch, > > I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. > I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but > perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded > that not everyone can learn it. > My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. > It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. > However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her > iPhone 6SE. > However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, > the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it > answers you back. > > With respect, > > Rod > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM > To: Russ Kiehne <[email protected]> > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it > works for you. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > >> I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation >> victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up >> getting a >> ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader >> stream >> and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery >> life >> than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and >> plextalk pocket. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen >> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne >> Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Why do you think I have one of those? >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne >> wrote: >> >>> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >>> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, >>> touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to >>> me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it >>> isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the >>> same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody >>> should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod >>> touch >>> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >>> 73 >>> Butch >>> WA0VJR >>> Node 3148 >>> Wallace, ks. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, >>> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >>> > learn. >>> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn >>> it on >>> > turn on voice over and have fun. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >>> > To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> > >>> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad >>> and a >>> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile >>> versions >>> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been >>> considering >>> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and >>> wether it >>> > is >>> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been >>> using >>> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on >>> some web >>> > pages. >>> > >>> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >>> > > Tony, >>> > > >>> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more >>> during the >>> > > past >>> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at >>> all of >>> > > what >>> > > I >>> > > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS >>> users >>> > > felt >>> > > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both >>> JAWS and >>> > > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while >>> NVDA did >>> > > not >>> > > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >>> > > frustrated >>> > > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >>> > > particularly >>> > > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our >>> access on >>> > > all >>> > > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched >>> to the >>> > > MAC >>> > > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have >>> > > switched >>> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to >>> inconsistent or >>> > > poor >>> > > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >>> > > accessibility >>> > > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it >>> needs to >>> > > be >>> > > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web >>> browsers to >>> > > know >>> > > if >>> > > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific >>> code in >>> > > web >>> > > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for >>> example, >>> > > that >>> > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very >>> same page >>> > > with >>> > > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it >>> very hard >>> > > to >>> > > determine where problems exist. >>> > > >>> > > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >>> > > >>> > > Best regards, >>> > > >>> > > Steve Jacobson >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Talk >>> > > [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > > On >>> > > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >>> > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> > > Subject: Windows screen readers >>> > > >>> > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a >>> Jaws user >>> > > for >>> > > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and >>> > > I’ve >>> > > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime >>> someone >>> > > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix >>> > > the >>> > > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that >>> II a >>> > > person >>> > > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use >>> > > netflix >>> > > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen >>> > > reader >>> > > as >>> > > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t >>> > > use >>> > > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people >>> have told >>> > > me >>> > > it >>> > > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I >>> phone or >>> > > my >>> > > I >>> > > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? 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