You can however use the I could to store files.
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Reese via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 1:46 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and
useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file
system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can
with other non-Apple devices.
It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend
its capacity.
Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file
structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even
be
viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive.
***
but. . .
since i found out about the item chooser it makes
sifari browseing much easier to use.
i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between running
apps.
not to open a list of all the links on the web page.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Windows screen readers
Hi Butch,
I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like.
I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps you
never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyone
can learn it.
My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first.
It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact.
However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone
6SE.
However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, the
built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you
back.
With respect,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <[email protected]>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it
works for you.
73
Butch
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote:
I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second generation
victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I ended up
getting a
ipad mini because it does everything I would do with a victor reader
stream
and a lot more. It has better sound, more volume and better battery life
than my first generation victor reader stream, booksense standard and
plextalk pocket.
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Russ Kiehne
Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Why do you think I have one of those?
73
Butch
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
wrote:
That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to
me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
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On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to
> learn.
> reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it
> on
> turn on voice over and have fun.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
> To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>
> Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and
> a
> Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile
> versions
> of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering
> purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it
> is
> really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using
> NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some
> web
> pages.
>
> On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> > Tony,
> >
> > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during
> > the
> > past
> > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of
> > what
> > I
> > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS
> > users
> > felt
> > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and
> > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA
> > did
> > not
> > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself
> > frustrated
> > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology,
> > particularly
> > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on
> > all
> > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to
> > the
> > MAC
> > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have
> > switched
> > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent
> > or
> > poor
> > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on
> > accessibility
> > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to
> > be
> > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to
> > know
> > if
> > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in
> > web
> > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for
> > example,
> > that
> > Netflix is running different code when you access the very same
> > page
> > with
> > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very
> > hard
> > to
> > determine where problems exist.
> >
> > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Talk
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> > [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Windows screen readers
> >
> > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws
> > user
> > for
> > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and
> > I’ve
> > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime
> > someone
> > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix
> > the
> > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a
> > person
> > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use
> > netflix
> > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen
> > reader
> > as
> > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t
> > use
> > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have
> > told
> > me
> > it
> > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or
> > my
> > I
> > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I
> > don’t
> > get
> > it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and
> > they
> > can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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