That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!
-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to
me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod
touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to
> learn.
> reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn
it on
> turn on voice over and have fun.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>
> Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad
and a
> Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile
versions
> of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been
considering
> purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and
wether it
> is
> really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been
using
> NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on
some web
> pages.
>
> On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> > Tony,
> >
> > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more
during the
> > past
> > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at
all of
> > what
> > I
> > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS
users
> > felt
> > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both
JAWS and
> > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while
NVDA did
> > not
> > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself
> > frustrated
> > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology,
> > particularly
> > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our
access on
> > all
> > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched
to the
> > MAC
> > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have
> > switched
> > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to
inconsistent or
> > poor
> > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on
> > accessibility
> > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it
needs to
> > be
> > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web
browsers to
> > know
> > if
> > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific
code in
> > web
> > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for
example,
> > that
> > Netflix is running different code when you access the very
same page
> > with
> > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it
very hard
> > to
> > determine where problems exist.
> >
> > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
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> > On
> > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: Windows screen readers
> >
> > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a
Jaws user
> > for
> > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and
> > I’ve
> > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime
someone
> > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix
> > the
> > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that
II a
> > person
> > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use
> > netflix
> > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen
> > reader
> > as
> > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t
> > use
> > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people
have told
> > me
> > it
> > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I
phone or
> > my
> > I
> > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I
> > don’t
> > get
> > it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible
and
> > they
> > can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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