Does he still make his living at the studio? -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:43 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
Hmm. I thought I had a link to his site. But I haven't been there in ages and couldn't find it. We mainly talked on and off a mailing list. Sorry about that. But yes, he made his living at the studio. On 7/7/2019 10:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Nice! Is their a website where I can go and look up his studio? And does he > make a living as a recording engineer? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:12 PM > To: Sky Mundell via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility > > Hey Sky, > > Slau is indeed the man at the B Flat recording studio. I met him > probably twenty-some years ago. > > Regards, > Tom > > > On 7/7/2019 9:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA >> Slau? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM >> To: David via Talk >> Cc: Tom Kingston >> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility >> >> No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a >> lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader >> for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron >> Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume >> they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift. >> >> The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years >> he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done >> under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella >> took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has >> been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and >> incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been >> an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such >> as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment. >> >> Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some >> (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference >> between getting it and not getting it. >> >> Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And >> the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway. >> >> I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner. >> I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is >> running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the >> average user. >> >> So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us. >> >> >> On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. >>> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so >>> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to >>> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. >>> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these >>> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a >>> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are >>> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. >>> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of >>> them. >>> >>> >>> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, >>> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we >>> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much >>> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you >>> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but >>> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single >>> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have >>> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped >>> with it for the next 5 or 10 years. >>> >>> >>> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow >>> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much >>> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95 >>> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic >>> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month. >>> >>> >>> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to >>> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years. >>> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot. >>> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer, >>> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence, >>> whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet, >>> will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well >>> as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen >>> readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and >>> Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by >>> Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this, >>> why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they >>> doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not >>> the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple >>> has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected >>> them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think >>> MS will be doing different? >>> >>> >>> Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just >>> meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it >>> is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price, >>> noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their software to >>> be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry cannot charge >>> you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to leave you the >>> license for turning on your computer. Why we see more and more >>> subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of the Windows >>> license soon will be higher than the price of buying just a brand new >>> computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it for two or >>> three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw it away and go >>> get yourself a new one. Or, like Office, make people pay you a fortune >>> over the life-span of the product, by charging them that little each >>> month, that they do not know you are draining their bank account. >>> >>> >>> As an interesting side-track here, might I take the opportunity to tell >>> you all something from locally? >>> >>> You know, some cellphone operators offer you a mid-range phone, for a >>> quite reduced price. Only fish-hook of it all, you have to subscribe for >>> a given service, for the next 24 months or something of that sort. Over >>> here, the authorities have decided that when they advertise for this >>> kind of products, they will have to show you the GRAND TOTAL, phone >>> price and all the months subscription costs summed up. And they have to >>> do this right there in the advertisement. When you sit down and look at >>> it, it often turns out the deal is not good at all. You thought you got >>> a cheap phone, and perhaps you did. But they knew to charge you the >>> price-reduction and all interests plus a good deal more, through your >>> *tiny* little monthly subscriptions. >>> >>> >>> Will be interesting to see what happens to Narrator. Another thing of >>> course is, that some rumors want it that Win10 is perhaps the last >>> Windows version ever. And if so, do you think MS are going to spend too >>> much on a product that will go down the drain anyway? >>> >>> >>> Just some thoughts. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 7/7/2019 5:39 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: >>>> I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought >>>> them years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. >>>> Maybe GW micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program >>>> to Microsoft. >>>> >>>> The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a >>>> good thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and >>>> maybe even better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will >>>> have to pay extra for it. >>>> >>>> We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish >>>> we had the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dictated and sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via >>>>> Talk <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft >>>>> should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows. If it had, >>>>> it >>>>> would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not >>>>> need >>>>> to reinvent the wheels. >>>>> >>>>> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff. Anyhow, I'm >>>>> sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> to do the right thing! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Olusegun >>>>> Denver, Colorado >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>> >>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40gmail.com. >>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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