To know that the folks at GW Micro are working on making accessibility in windows great, tells me that Narrator and Magnifier are in no way done yet.
-----Original Message----- From: Talk <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 7:14 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Loy Green <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility The latest version of Narrator in Windows 1903 is very good. It has gotten me through some things that JAWS could not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David via Talk" <[email protected]> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "David" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility > Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. > And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so > perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to > have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. > Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of > these even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to > a certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are > included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. > I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either > of them. > > > Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, > without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we > judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much > welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, > you don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but > rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single > month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could > have bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have > camped with it for the next 5 or 10 years. > > > My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a > somehow working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform > anything much more than just read the screen to you, you will be > offered to pay $19.95 a month; or, in case you want the Professional > version with some basic scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month. > > > I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great > to see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years. > Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot. > And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer, > which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. > Hence, whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or > tablet, will you please consider comparing your activity on these > units, as well as your productivity - and then come back telling me > these screen readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if > now, Google and Apple - both being really big industries, and even > somehow passed by Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything > better than this, why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are > loosing market, they doubtfully will put too much into a screen > reader. After all, it is not the screen reader that will sell. On the > other hand, as Google and Apple has climbed the ladder of the market, > you would somehow have expected them to have invested more in their > screen readers. What is it you think MS will be doing different? > > > Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just > meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and > it is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in > price, noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their > software to be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry > cannot charge you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to > leave you the license for turning on your computer. Why we see more > and more subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of > the Windows license soon will be higher than the price of buying just > a brand new computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it > for two or three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw > it away and go get yourself a new one. Or, like Office, make people > pay you a fortune over the life-span of the product, by charging them > that little each month, that they do not know you are draining their bank > account. > > > As an interesting side-track here, might I take the opportunity to > tell you all something from locally? > > You know, some cellphone operators offer you a mid-range phone, for a > quite reduced price. Only fish-hook of it all, you have to subscribe > for a given service, for the next 24 months or something of that sort. > Over here, the authorities have decided that when they advertise for > this kind of products, they will have to show you the GRAND TOTAL, > phone price and all the months subscription costs summed up. And they > have to do this right there in the advertisement. When you sit down > and look at it, it often turns out the deal is not good at all. You > thought you got a cheap phone, and perhaps you did. But they knew to > charge you the price-reduction and all interests plus a good deal > more, through your > *tiny* little monthly subscriptions. > > > Will be interesting to see what happens to Narrator. Another thing of > course is, that some rumors want it that Win10 is perhaps the last > Windows version ever. And if so, do you think MS are going to spend > too much on a product that will go down the drain anyway? > > > Just some thoughts. > > David > > On 7/7/2019 5:39 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: >> I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft >> bought them years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a >> standalone program. Maybe GW micro knew this and did not want to lose >> control of the program to Microsoft. >> >> The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be >> a good thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes >> and maybe even better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no >> one will have to pay extra for it. >> >> We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. 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