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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohns...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jeff, > > A couple thoughts... > > With respect to best practices, I presented some ideas for US mappers at > this year's State of the Map on improving address tags[1]. Feel free to > review my presentation and comment (here or on the Talk-US list). I still > intend to put together an RFC and solicit more feedback from the community. > > There are also pointers to more resources on the OSM wiki under Address > Improvement[2]. I'd invite you to contribute to the page and note any > peculiarities with addresses in your region. > > Best, > > -- SEJ > -- twitter: @geomantic > -- skype: sejohnson8 > > "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." > -- Einstein > > [1] http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014 > [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM, <talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> Send talk mailing list submissions to >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. How to improve addressing? (Jeff Meyer) >> 2. Re: How to improve addressing? (Martijn van Exel) >> 3. Re: How to improve addressing? (Svavar Kjarrval) >> 4. Re: How to improve addressing? (deng dongpo) >> 5. Re: How to improve addressing? (Philip Barnes) >> 6. Re: How to improve addressing? (Toby Murray) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:34:38 -0800 >> From: Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> >> To: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: >> <CAA1fFezcqfcJxLV-PwxMMJ= >> gtzkdwhdgulmkird5gzwnuct...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making >> OSM more usable, etc. >> >> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing >> quality quickly & efficiently? >> >> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house >> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant >> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we >> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block? >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Meyer >> Global World History Atlas >> www.gwhat.org >> j...@gwhat.org >> 206-676-2347 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20121109/d5ed5aa6/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:47:54 -0700 >> From: Martijn van Exel <m...@rtijn.org> >> To: Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> >> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: >> < >> cagcum_6zzxfmrs73b-tf1qfyr_msnrumdhna_sb-zhpowzc...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Do you have an Android device? You might like KeypadMapper: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper >> >> (Have still yet to try it myself! Will install it immediately) >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> wrote: >> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for >> making >> > OSM more usable, etc. >> > >> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing >> > quality quickly & efficiently? >> > >> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding >> house >> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant >> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should >> we >> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jeff Meyer >> > Global World History Atlas >> > www.gwhat.org >> > j...@gwhat.org >> > 206-676-2347 >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Martijn van Exel >> http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ (personal) >> http://openstreetmap.us/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:58:42 +0000 >> From: Svavar Kjarrval <sva...@kjarrval.is> >> To: talk@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: <509d6072.4060...@kjarrval.is> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I have good experience with OsmPad ( >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad). Although you can't actually >> draw houses in it, you can mark addresses and it's especially good if >> you have already drawn the houses. >> >> - Svavar Kjarrval >> >> On 09/11/12 19:34, Jeff Meyer wrote: >> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for >> > making OSM more usable, etc. >> > >> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM >> > addressing quality quickly & efficiently? >> > >> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding >> > house numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any >> > significant impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger >> > scale. Should we be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / >> > min for each block? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jeff Meyer >> > Global World History Atlas >> > www.gwhat.org <http://www.gwhat.org> >> > j...@gwhat.org <mailto:j...@gwhat.org> >> > 206-676-2347 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20121109/ade5bb6e/attachment-0001.html >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: signature.asc >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 836 bytes >> Desc: OpenPGP digital signature >> URL: < >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20121109/ade5bb6e/attachment-0001.pgp >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:08:35 -0800 >> From: deng dongpo <dongpo.d...@gmail.com> >> To: Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> >> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk@openstreetmap.org>, OSM >> Taiwan <talk...@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: >> <CA+k-deLknA9= >> wyy37e2z-kjx-s667pz-7vzloy_msde7jv5...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Jeff and all >> I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for >> making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM >> GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/ >> >> Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how >> many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is >> because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send >> this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Taiwan/2012_Competition >> >> Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted >> to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is >> successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give >> address data. >> >> Cheers, >> Dongpo >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> wrote: >> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for >> making >> > OSM more usable, etc. >> > >> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing >> > quality quickly & efficiently? >> > >> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding >> house >> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant >> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should >> we >> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jeff Meyer >> > Global World History Atlas >> > www.gwhat.org >> > j...@gwhat.org >> > 206-676-2347 >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:49:47 +0000 >> From: Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> >> To: "OSM Talk" <talk@openstreetmap.org> >> Cc: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk@openstreetmap.org>, OSM >> Taiwan <talk...@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: <3w79g.md8pza.1di2p32-...@auth.smtp.oneandone.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I think you mean t-shirt, made me smile anyway. >> >> Phil >> -- >> >> Sent from my Nokia N9 >> >> >> >> On 09/11/2012 20:08 deng dongpo wrote: >> >> Hi Jeff and all >> I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for >> making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM >> GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/ >> >> >> Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how >> many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is >> because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send >> this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest. >> >> http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/ >> >> >> Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted >> to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is >> successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give >> address data. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Dongpo >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> wrote: >> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for >> making >> > OSM more usable, etc. >> > >> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing >> > quality quickly & efficiently? >> > >> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding >> house >> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant >> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should >> we >> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jeff Meyer >> > Global World History Atlas >> > www.gwhat.org >> > j...@gwhat.org >> > 206-676-2347 >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > j...@gwhat.org >> > http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/ >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> talk mailing list >> >> j...@gwhat.org >> http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/ >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20121109/da13a195/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:22:43 -0600 >> From: Toby Murray <toby.mur...@gmail.com> >> To: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List <talk@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing? >> Message-ID: >> <CAJeqKgv+JBt0U_NNJpoYd=RCzwKm8ovtdd=sYzV3YJ57_= >> 2...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jeff Meyer <j...@gwhat.org> wrote: >> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for >> making >> > OSM more usable, etc. >> > >> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing >> > quality quickly & efficiently? >> > >> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding >> house >> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant >> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should >> we >> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block? >> >> Doing anything in OSM as a single user in an inefficient way of making >> a significant impact. This is why we call it "crowd" sourcing :) >> >> Yes, you can use an address interpolation[1] to do a whole block at a >> time. Here in the US I kind of feel like this is a waste of time >> though since Nominatim already pulls in what is essentially an address >> interpolation from external TIGER data. So if I'm going to add address >> information I might as well make it better than what is already >> available. But in places without such external data I think address >> interpolations are a decent way of getting address coverage done >> quickly. Although I'm not sure if anything besides Nominatim really >> supports interpolations... >> >> Beyond that, I think it comes down to the same thing it always comes >> down to. More mappers. Specifically for address data I think there is >> a lot we can do to simplify the process. For example, if all I want to >> do is add an address and maybe some contact info to a POI that already >> exists, why do I need a full featured geospatial data editor like P2 >> or JOSM? Why not a simple web form? I think as OSM gets into more >> maintenance of existing data as opposed to adding of new data, simple >> tag editors will be a good thing anyway. >> >> Oh and KeypadMapper is definitely a winner. I was able to collect >> about 120 residential addresses on a single stroll around my >> neighborhood. It took me longer to process the data once I got home >> but that's because I ended up drawing outlines of each house as I >> placed the address node from the KeypadMapper file. >> >> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Using_interpolation >> >> Toby >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> End of talk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 19 >> ************************************ >> > >
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