Would Yuri's tool be OK, if the proposed changes were limited to objects that were created/last edited after survey to the person that is using the tool ?
I was thinking of a scenario where people try to help with a tag-renaming proposal. Such a tool would be handy to help them locate all objects that they know well and retag them. m. On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Frederik: >> >> I am appalled that after your abysmal OSM editing history where you more >> often than not ignored existing customs rules, while *claiming* to >> follow them, you're now building a service that entices others to do the >> same. > > > >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 6:09 AM Christoph Hormann <[email protected]> wrote: >>> This is a tool to perform automated edits as per the automated edits >>> policy. A resposible developer of such a tool should inform its users >>> that making automated edits comes with certain requirements and that >>> not following these rules can result in changes being reverted and user >>> accounts being blocked. > > > 2017-10-14 13:06 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <[email protected]>: >> >> Christoph, I looked around Osmose and MapRoulette, and I don't see any >> such warnings . Could you elaborate how you would like these kinds of tools >> to promote good editing practices? Any UI ideas? I'll be happy to improve >> our tools on making sure they meet community expectations. > > > > I agree with Christoph and Frederik, that this is oviously a tool to perform > (crowdsourced) automated edits, and although it is designed in a way to make > them look like individual contributions, the automated editing guidelines > should apply. I agree with Yuri that there is also (to some lesser extent, > as the editing is not performed by the tool) some problematic potential in > other QA tools like Osmose or "remote batch fixing" tools like MapRoulette. > > The thing with remotely "fixing tags" is that people usually don't know the > situation on the ground and therefore hardly can make an individual decision > for the specific object. The proposed "one-click-solution" encourages to do > quick "fixes" without looking individually, and you even refuse to notify > people that they might be participating in an automated edit. In examples > like the one you gave, even if you look very hard, you won't see something > that confirms the proposed change (you will have to know the place). I could > imagine there are good cases where your tool can facilitate fixing problems, > e.g. with clear typos (highway=residental), but changing from one tag to a > combination of two is not one of them (either we could make an automated > edit, or if it's disputed, we wouldn't do it at all, rather than sneaking it > in via distributed automated editing). > > Cheers, > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
