i agree with Kathleen here, we don't need their junk POIs. Actually we
shouldn't have anything to do with companies that uses OSM the way they
do without complying with the license and OSMF guidelines. This is still
to be taken into consideration
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html
About this lovely OSMF corporate member, 9 months since i asked
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082702.html
them to fix attribution and they are still attributing OSM maps to HERE.
a round of applause for this outstanding support and example of OSM data
usage by an OSMF member.
Video capture of app their Local app https://www.facebook.com/local/ (i
meant to say "my contributions", not "my attributions" during the video
capturing): https://youtu.be/Ah9FyiT6JKk
My contributions on OSM displayed on the
videohttps://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448052037#map=17/32.64575/-16.90531
Cable car https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25975745
HERE map at same location
https://wego.here.com/?map=32.64615,-16.90117,17,public_transport
Feel free to check your location and your edits on OSM being credited to
HERE and share them here (i mean on the mailing list, not HERE).
Às 17:35 de 01/08/2019, Kathleen Lu via talk escreveu:
I don't think it's disingenuous at all for Facebook to use their own
POIs instead of OSM's. Wasn't the whole point of the Collective
Databases principle and the Collective Databases Guideline
specifically to enable this type of usage, so that those interested in
OSM did not have to make an "all or nothing" choice?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:17 PM Joseph Eisenberg
<joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Besides the tech boosterism, another issue is that it's disingenuous
if Facebook claims to be strongly supporting OSM, while continuing to
keep their valuable user-provided data in a separate, proprietary
database.
Facebook and Google have the two best lists of POIs like shops and
restaurants, and an extensive database of customer photos and reviews
which they control. While Facebook has decided to use OSM for road,
street and waterway data (which they couldn't easily have users add),
they keep this data for themselves. Were Facebook interested in
improving OSM, they could share their POI data, including when a
feature was last visited and notes about which feature no longer
exist. This could add millions more OSM contributors for features like
shops and restaurants, which are not yet completely mapped even in
well-developed OSM communities in Europe, and it would be
revolutionary in Indonesia and Thailand.
Only a few people will every become hobby mappers, adding waterways,
highways, landuse and such for fun, but every business owner wants to
see their shop or office on Facebook, so these POIs would be added and
kept up-to-date by users.
I don't expect Facebook to share this data for free, because a large
part of their business model is recording your geodata and using this
to maximize profit for their shareholders, but if they ever decide to
really prove "we're not that evil", sharing their data could go a long
way to changing Facebooks poor reputation for corporate responsibility
and transparency.
Joseph
On 8/1/19, stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com
<mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com>> wrote:
> (I chose the wrong source email address; apologies if anybody
gets this
> twice).
>
> Thanks, Jóhannes. I did try FB's tool myself and was pleasantly
surprised
> it does a "looks OK for now" job of how Mikel put it earlier:
"a balance
> between turbocharged and exploitation." I hear you as you say that
> mapwith.ai <http://mapwith.ai> has, as I described, a
comfortable workflow of "AI suggests,
> human maps, human checks that what is acceptable can be
uploaded, human
> uploads." That's fine, it does indeed have "a human in the
loop" and the
> human checks for quality, the human is not just being there for
the sake of
> being there. This aspect of "humans, not AI, determine quality"
is a
> critical component of what I am saying.
>
> What I believe raised ire here was the BBC botching the "press
announcement"
> as a stilted and seemingly uninformed "cheerleading" piece that
made AI
> sound as if it were a "magic bullet" that was going to save
mapping in OSM
> somehow. It isn't (magic) and it won't (though AI is an
important tool
> going forward, especially as it is coupled with human wisdom and
a hawkish
> eye towards high quality). OSM is, and will always be, a
> human-participating project, with all of the social and "get
outdoors and
> map" project as one (human) might like it to be. AI can and
does help,
> that's fine, as long as humans are always "in charge."
>
> Again, it sounds like there is a lot of agreement here.
>
> SteveA
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