Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? πŸ™‚ | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaborati =?utf-8?q?on_with_OpenStreetMap

Fri, 02 Aug 2019 01:55:39 -0700

The time is now to get into dialogues with Facebook's RaID team instead of discussing further what Facebook did/does wrong, how they can improve their AI, how they can improve their communication with the community and what their intentions are.

Discussing with Facebook's RaID team is better and more helpful for both sites instead of discussing about Facebook's practise without Facebook's involvement.

We should be fair!

Cheers

SΓΆren Reinecke alias Valor Naram


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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? πŸ™‚ | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaborati =?utf-8?q?on_with_OpenStreetMap
From: Joseph Eisenberg
To: Marc Gemis
CC: Rory McCann ,OSM Talk


Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into
OSM. I understand that this could cause problems.

But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a
separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs
are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct.

I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in
many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS
traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing
path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed.

They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos
of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a
Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping.

They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as
a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently
closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme.
I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested
when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about
additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be
useful information for us.

None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for
short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for
mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import.

Joseph

On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis wrote:
> This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question
>
> - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright?
> - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no)
> - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been
> rightfully removed in OSM ?
> - how will you avoid duplicates ?
>
> all legitimate question imho.
>
> p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour,
> really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list).
> Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off
> well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you?
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor
>>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us,
>>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they
>>> were already doing all they could to help us.
>>>
>>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that,
>>> shareholder value and all that.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI
>> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be
>> added to OSM.
>>
>> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not
>> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM
>> lists like, will be accepted.
>>
>> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they
>> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer
>> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM.
>>
>> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and
>> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>>
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