Hi, The OSM US Slack has a dedicated channel called #mapwithai_feedback where members of the FB team are generally available to answer questions: https://app.slack.com/client/T029HV94T/CK3BZ8FC0 <https://app.slack.com/client/T029HV94T/CK3BZ8FC0>
-mike. ---------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html > On Aug 2, 2019, at 1:54 AM, Valor Naram <[email protected]> wrote: > > The time is now to get into dialogues with Facebook's RaID team instead of > discussing further what Facebook did/does wrong, how they can improve their > AI, how they can improve their communication with the community and what > their intentions are. > > Discussing with Facebook's RaID team is better and more helpful for both > sites instead of discussing about Facebook's practise without Facebook's > involvement. > > We should be fair! > > Cheers > > SΓΆren Reinecke alias Valor Naram > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? π | Re: Facebook mapping > highways using AI in collaborati =?utf-8?q?on_with_OpenStreetMap > From: Joseph Eisenberg > To: Marc Gemis > CC: Rory McCann ,OSM Talk > > > Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into > OSM. I understand that this could cause problems. > > But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a > separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs > are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct. > > I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in > many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS > traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing > path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed. > > They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos > of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a > Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping. > > They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as > a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently > closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme. > I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested > when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about > additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be > useful information for us. > > None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for > short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for > mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import. > > Joseph > > On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question > > > > - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright? > > - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no) > > - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been > > rightfully removed in OSM ? > > - how will you avoid duplicates ? > > > > all legitimate question imho. > > > > p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour, > > really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list). > > Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off > > well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you? > > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor > >>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, > >>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they > >>> were already doing all they could to help us. > >>> > >>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, > >>> shareholder value and all that. > >>> > >> > >> Hi Rory, > >> > >> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI > >> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be > >> added to OSM. > >> > >> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not > >> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM > >> lists like, will be accepted. > >> > >> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they > >> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer > >> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM. > >> > >> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and > >> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on. > >> > >> cheers, > >> Blake > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> talk mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ---------------------------------------------------- > >> Blake Girardot > >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >> skype: jblakegirardot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> talk mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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