Hello, the creation of the object:* tagging was the result of many remarks and disscussions. Most people agreed that the addr:* tag should be used only for buildings, shps, offices, etc.
I thought that there was a need for an alternative addresing scheme that could be used without conflicting with the addr:* scheme. That was when I starteted to use the object:* scheme for the things I tagged in OSM. As I'm not only interrested in gas lamps but also in history culture and art I started to use this scheme for memorials and urban artwork. I conviced some people in my community to switch to this scheme and now more and more people use this scheme. I added a lot of Stolpersteine (memorial:type=stolperstein) and urban artwork (tourism=artwork) to the OSM database. All of them I visited personly and photos of this objects can be found on wikimedia commons. I have a very personal relation to these obects, visiting them in real world, during hot or cold weather, storing information about them to OSM in long concentrated sessions. I don't think that swiching from addr:* to object:* on these objects is correctly described by the term "mechanical edit". Mechanical edits are problematic in OSM as there might be change on something that doesn't exist anymore or needs a new survey at the place in real world. As I walk all this object from time to time, veryfing they still exist, I think that it is not ok to call my changes mechanical edits in the normal OSM sense. Friendly Greetings Harald Schwarz black_bike > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. März 2020 um 02:03 Uhr > Von: "Joseph Eisenberg" <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > An: "Harald Schwarz" <harald.malte.schw...@gmx.de> > Betreff: Re: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: > "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import > > Thank you for the information, Harald. > > > The peak in the graph, that you think indicates an import, is the result of > > switching fom the addr:*-style to the object:*-style. > > So it was not an import, but rather a mechanical edit. I will update > the object: page with this info. > > Do you know if a mechanical edit was also done for historic=memorial > features (with object:housenumber etc) around that time? > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > On 3/18/20, Harald Schwarz <harald.malte.schw...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Dear Joseph, dear readers of this list, > > > > as you mention the street lamps of Düsseldorf here and thinking that they > > were an import to the OSM-database, > > I can tell you that this was not the case. > > > > Many of he streets of Düsseldorf, city of about 600_000 inhabitants, capital > > of Northrhine-Westfalia, Germany are lit by gaslight. > > About 15_000 gas lamps spent their glooming light every night. Each of this > > lamps has found it's way into the OSM database > > and even the status of streets lit by gaslight can be found in OSM. > > > > But this was not done by an import. It was a process, lasting many years, > > walking all the streets, stopping at every > > single gas lamp, taking photos and gps coordinates, later manualy storing > > the data to osm. > > The peak in the graph, that you think indicates an import, is the result of > > switching fom the addr:*-style to the object:*-style. > > > > Infos about the Düsseldorf Gaslight you can find in the OSM-Wiki under: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Projekte/Gaslaternen > > You can watch the talk I gave at FOSSGIS 2019, Dresden : > > https://media.ccc.de/v/fossgis2019-556-erfassung-der-dsseldorfer-gasbeleuchtung > > . > > > > Mapping the gas lamps with OSM helped a lot to reach the status of national > > techical heritage. > > For this purpose maps and lists of all gas lamps in a suburb, in a street > > were created. > > This would not have been possible without the object:street tag. > > > > The object:* tag is not only useful for street lamps but can be used for > > memorials, urban artwork, technical infrastructure and many other things. > > Take a close look and see that other mappers started to use this tag for > > their own needs. > > > > With friendly greetings > > Harald Schwarz > > black_bike > > > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. März 2020 um 00:17 Uhr > >> Von: "Joseph Eisenberg" <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > >> An: talk@openstreetmap.org > >> Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" > >> for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import > > .... > >> > >> Besides the tags mentioned above, I was thinking about tags like > >> "object:postcode=" and "object:housenumber" - this tag is only used in > >> Germany on "highway=street_lamp" features which appear to have been > >> imported mostly in 2015: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:object > >> and see taghistory: > >> https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#***/object:postcode/ and > >> > >> So, though the usage numbers are moderately high, it is helpful to > >> know that these tags are not really being used, except in that > >> particular context. Apparently it makes sense in the context of the > >> addressing system there, at least according to the mappers who > >> imported the objects. > > .... > >> > >> -- Joseph Eisenberg > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk