On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:36:19 +0100, Thorvald Neumann wrote:

> Sorry, I have not the time to read TBOT 

Likewise. The TB-related traffic on tbbeta is already as much as I can bear.

> But I would be interested to hear what Gmail replies to your email.

Likewise. FWIW, this problem is not just confined to POP3. You notice
it also when you use the Web interface. So I first encountered it
about a month ago and complained to the Gmail support staff at that
time. I also submitted a wish to Google a few days ago that they
either change the behavior or at least provide an option to change the
behavior.

As I see it, Google's argument about a cluttered Inbox fails on two
points. (1) Google keeps reminding you that you have 1Gb space and you
don't need to worry about deleting anything. So why should users worry
about a few duplicate messages? (2) Gmail provides filters and an
efficient anti-spam engine that are quite effective at reducing
clutter of the Inbox.

Having said all that, I can almost live with the way Google has this
set up. Almost. What disturbs me the most is the fact that threading
of messages gets confused. A private reply to mailing list message
gets muddled in with a public reply. This could lead to unfortunate
events. :-) And while I do get a notice from Google if a message I
send to a mailing list is not received by the list, Google would
probably not be able to inform me that my message never appeared on
the list if it is a moderated list and my message was not approved by
the moderator.

So I am also not a happy camper on this point. I am getting by with
the occasionally muddled threading in Google's Web interface and
making do with some Outgoing Mail filters in TB. It is not entirely
satisfactory, but it is not so bad either - a relatively small
inconvenience (hopefully temporary) to endure while reaping the
numerous benefits

> BTW, I do not think Gmail AND TB are OT. It may well belong to TBUDL,
> because there are certainly others experiencing the same problems
> (e.g. ports, not receiving copies etc.).

Likewise. Right now it looks like Gmail could be the wave of the
future. I expect that a significant percentage of TB users will have
Gmail accounts and that this percentage will go on increasing for a
while. So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly. It
is disappointing that there are no direct instructions for configuring
TB for POP3 in the Gmail help. It was a bit confusing at first,
because the general instructions did not correspond neatly with the
interface of TB.

-- 
Avi Yashar
Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.4

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