On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:10:13 -0500, Allie Martin wrote:

>The toolbar buttons that you speak about move you among messages as they
>appear in the list.

Yes, but in the *received* list, not in my own displayed list. And it
follows a reverse logic ("next" brings the previous in time message).

>It ignores message listing based on any user defined criteria.

Yes, I noticed that.

>This is the only way to maintain consistency and predictability
>of what it means to use them

It's the only way now, as the toolbar buttons are named "previous" and
"next".
If they were named "up" and "down", that would be more flexible.

>and it's the same thing with the keyboard up
>and down arrow keys. CTRl+] moves you to the next unread message as it
>appears in the list going in a descending fashion (up to down when looking
>at the list on the screen).

I always keep the most recent messages at the top of the list (sorted
by "created" column). The "next" / "previous" button gives a mess, if
the sender has composed a message at one time and sent the message at a
later time (like I do sometimes).

>This is a basic convention. Have you met
>behaviour in an application that's contrary to this?

Sure.
I usually use PMMail as the main mailer. It has few problems (most
noticeable regional character set problems) and am looking for a (good)
replacement. PMMail uses "up" and "down" toolbar buttons, relative to
the *user* sorted list.
If sorted ascending by name, the A... name is at top, the Z... name at
bottom. By pressing the "up" toolbar button, I go through the list from
Z to A.
If sorting ascending by date of message (created date), the most recent
stays at the top, the most old at the bottom. By pressing the "up"
toolbar button, I go through the list from the older message to the
more recent message.

I just tested: Outlook Express performs the same way.

I also noticed one annoying thing about The Bat!: the blue cursor bar
over the message list remains still as I go further and read more
messages. After reading, say, 20 messages in the list, I can no more
say where I am with the reading by taking a short look at the message
list.

Sorry, waiting for another release ...

Best wishes,
        Cristi

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