Sunday, January 06, 2002, 12:17:02 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Joe,

> On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:52 -0600 GMT (06/01/2002, 04:55 +0800 GMT),
> Joe Finocchiaro wrote:

>>>   Just curious: how do you conclude this is a fact?

JF>> I think this falls into the realm of common sense, Jan.

> I have long decided that there is no such thing as common sense.

My own common sense tells me that you don't really believe that.

:)

> If you stay within one culture, say, USA, most people (still not all)
> will agree on what is "common sense" (ask Dear Abby, for example).
> Once you go across cultures, none of it applies. Do not assume all
> people think like Americans - most don't. ;-)

Until they discover that all human beings aren't really the same
species after all, Thomas, I'm going to assume that we're all much
more alike than we are different.

And I think it makes sense (common or otherwise) to the overwhelming
majority of people that the *easier* you make something to use, the
more likely it is that people will use it.

I think that applies equally well to Americans, Italians, Africans,
Germans, Russians, Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Pushtuns, Turks, Arabs,
Apache Indians, Eskimos, Aborigines everywhere, etc.

No, it probably doesn't apply to, say, Mike Tyson, but then I'm not
sure that he's a human being.

> That said, I agree wth syv that the keyboard shortcuts should be
> documented, and I agree with you that there is no way I can remember
> all of them. I am certainly not a Mouse Guy, hell, I'm not even a GUI
> person.

But you're still a human being, which means that you'll naturally
migrate to whichever way(s) is(are) easiest for you.

Unless you were denied breast milk as a baby.  But the jury is still
out on that one.

> I use alt-F2 rather than hitting the Check All button with the
> mouse, but I perfectly agree that the mouse made many things a lot
> easier for people advancing in age <g>.

I'm pushing 60, Thomas.  And I represent the generations of human
beings still out there who didn't cut their teeth on computers.

Yes, you can teach an old dog new tricks, but they will always hate
you for it.

:)

>FWIW the keyboard shortcuts crtl-C and crtl-V are *not* intuitive.

Okay. Maybe you're right about that.  But those commands were among
the first ones I was ever taught.  And they remain at least universal,
if not intuitive, thanks to Bill Gates.

>Bit we use them a lot, and they are the same in every proggie. That's
>why we remember them.

Well, they are at least a little intuitive.  C=copy; X=cut; V=vaste.

:)

>When windows was jsut new, WordPerfect was
>still a rather well-known word processing software. It used keyboard
>shortcuts like no other, and a friend of mine, being a legal
>secretary and therefore having to type a lot, used it and loved it. I
>could never quite remember all these crtl-F5 and shit-F4 and  all
>these, and preferred Word:clicke-ti-click.

Yep.  You're basically a GUI Guy.  But you've got a little Keyboard
Guy blood in you, too.

So those family reunions will probably get a little heated.

Have you decided how you will raise your children yet?

And I think the WordPerfect program was essentially a conspiracy
against old men with fat fingers.  I think certain folks (i.e., women)
probably didn't want us to ever have the ability to communicate with
each other.

> There you go. On the question: What's better - mouse or keyboard, I
> contradict myself. Bottom line: I use both. ;-)

Me, too.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.  I don't think one method is
inherently "better" than the other. It's just that, for some of us
anyway, one method is much *easier* than the other.

And that difference (Viva la difference!) should at least be
acknowledged by the great Bat! team, especially if its objective is to
sell more copies of TB!

On the other hand, if its objective is to write the best little
program that no one ever heard of, or uses, they should keep doing
exactly what they're doing now.

I may not know much about computers, but I know my marketing.

-- 
Joe Finocchiaro
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