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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, at 18:13:36  +0200 Miguel wrote:

>> With a deep respect, there is no average TB user.

MAU> Also with deep respect.

Yep. Accepted this way.

MAU> First, I didn't say "average TB user" nut "average TBUDL user",
MAU> which is different.

Please accept my solemnest apologize, but I would stress that both
expressions are definitely a contradictio in adjecto; "TBUDL user" nay
much more than "TB user", since it indicates that a "common" user got
to learn even more about h{er|is} favorite fellow mailer. I would go
even further and say that even in a moment of using Bat only once, a
[wo]men is not same one anymore: it is a moment when s/he transcended
a tiny red line between "average" and "initiated". From this moment
on, s/he deserves title "initiated user" (which is equal to "TB[udl]
user" and non-equal with "average" in any sense), because nothing is
same anymore and s/he entered the realm of a real software, so that
twilight zone of Doubtlook Distress and similar immortal jokes are
definitely finished and abandoned forever.

MAU> And second, and whether you like it or not, when there is 2 or
MAU> more of something (TB or TBUDL users in this case), there is
MAU> always_ and _average_. A different story is if the average
MAU> _level_ is high, medium or low. But there is an average.

To say most honestly, I don't think that mathematics is a matter of
liking or not. Regardless this, I am tending to humble say that by
"ordinary" I meant nothing dealing with quantity but with proprieties.

>> Average users doesn't use TB.

MAU> With all respect to the average users that you seem to look down on
MAU> because they don't know how to set up a template with a macro to tell
MAU> us what time it is where they live...

With much more than all respect, you mixed me with an other reverend
fellow member of this noble list: I never dealt with any user here
having problems with macros.

MAU> Yes, of course! I forgot that we TB users are all geniuses!

Hmmm... ;-)                 V  (^_^)  V

MAU> And with much more and real respect, because she is a lady and also
MAU> perhaps because of her age, Melissa's mother uses TB. From what
MAU> Melissa tells us, would you consider her average, above or below
MAU> average?

If we follow with respectable attention my previous exposure, we can
remark that term "average", leastways in a way I'm using it, is
related to technical knowledge/skill, but no way to judging about
personal proprieties of any reverend person here, or anywhere, nearer
or not so near. Personally, I'm still pretty interested in this moment
about two cases here: about recovering Melissa's mother's
databases (tbi, tbb) and about forgotten password of Roelof's father,
because such things are some of the most painful and hardest to solve
when happened. Unfortunately I'm not sure that I can offer more than
others and moi already offered, but who knows, I'm still trying to
find something out.

And, at the end, a direct answer to your question, and according with
all what is already said: persons dealing with the Bat cannot be
considered as "average", neither as persons nor as "users". We have,
I'd say, a rare honor to have such parents who are able to get in
clinch with a peeks of the modern science (and fiction, I'd add), so
it is also our honor we may teach them, very patiently, how to manage
with it. Do you know how much time I spent with my mother (70+ years)
until she could drive "Mercedes CLK-GTR" in "Need for Speed III"? Next
she have to learn is driving "El Nińo" (in pursuit/cop mode). So you
see now...

With a respect deeper than ever,

Mandara
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