On Tuesday, June 04, 2002, Peter Milne wrote...

> This can be had for the home user or as big as an ISP.

Depends on what the ISP runs, and it's views on privacy doesn't it? If
the  ISP  runs  mainly  unix systems, isn't it lacking a winsock? Also
quite  a  few  ISPs  don't  even  want  to  touch the legal aspects of
starting  to  scan their users files on incoming/outgoing mail. They'd
have to start setting disclaimers everywhere just for the service.

> I  am  not  sure  what  others  costs  can  be  but  this  is fairly
> reasonable. Actually, I was working with my ISP but the 'higher ups'
> were set on Postini...which uses McAfee.

I  think  the  one we run is about $600 (USD) per year, and covers all
accounts,  all  of  our  network,  including the internal servers, our
external  mail  and ftp servers, our web servers, etc etc. We also get
the  use  of the client for the windows computers on the network if we
still need it.

> I  told them that I need to opt out because I get viruses sent to me
> all  the  time  and  I  can't  have them stopped. She told me "don't
> worry, it won't stop them all".

I'm  guessing you create virus software for a living? I'd have thought
if  your  ISP is scanning viruses, you'd find it very difficult to get
samples  sent  to  you  because  of that. And I'm 99% sure it's pretty
difficult  to "opt out" of being scanned, because software like McAfee
just scans everything.

> So...why  does  the ISP bother spending all that money for something
> marginal...go figure.

Get  more  customers?  Good sales pitch I guess... "look, we scan your
mail for viruses" :)

> As far as the mail content scanning goes. If this were to be used on
> an ISP there might be a problem. Most of us want any emails containg
> adult  natured  mail  to  de ditched. IF you do this on the ISP, all
> adult  stuff  gets ditched and that might get some clients that like
> that  stuff, upset. But for the virus end of it, your virus problems
> would be over.

There  is  a  difference between scanning mail for adult material, and
scanning  a  mail for viruses. But when scanning the mail for viruses,
you  could  technically be classed as reading private and confidential
material,  even though somebody isn't physically sitting there reading
it.  I  know  there are laws in the UK that due to privacy the scanner
shouldn't be allowed to store any quarantined files, as for the US, or
any  of the rest of Europe, I have no idea. This would be where things
would start to get a little sticky in the legal department. Which is a
huge  cost for big ISPs, and just another reason they don't want to go
there.

Scanning  for  content  is  another  thing  ISPs try to stay away from
purely because they cannot tell what their customers have signed up to
receive (be it adult material, or latest information about mortgages).
Some  ISPs  implement  RBLs (or black holes, see www.mail-abuse.org or
www.ordb.org),  which does reduce some of the spam... but I'm drifting
OT ;)

If  you  could  contact  me  about  your  product,  I'd  be  more than
interested in some information... it must run on Unix though ;)

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
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