-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dave,
@26-Dec-2002, 12:13 -0800 (20:13 UK time) Dave Crocker [DC] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DC> The model/view distinction is compatible with having WYSIWYG. DC> Having one does NOT mean that you must have the other and it DC> does NOT mean that you cannot have the other. ... yet, in most cases where the view is separated from the intent, the obfuscation only serves to confuse. When you talk to the average OE user about line wrap they get very confused very quickly. DC> It also is compatible with having the "put your cursor anywhere" DC> model used by TB. So how can absolute formatting in a plain ASCII text document be distinguished from having soft formatting that changes to hard formatting when the "send" button is pressed? If what is sent is to be exactly the same in appearance as what was typed, then what's the difference? I feel a lot more confident in knowing that what I send is formatted exactly as I intended. I am grateful that TB makes no changes whatsoever to what I wrote when I hit "Send". DC> Mark highlighted the importance of having the model/view DC> distinction: DC> It makes some kinds of editing changes vastly easier. I object to the use of the word "vastly" here - it highlights a complete misunderstanding of the way TB's very excellent editor actually works, something it would be hard pressed to do if it did not have the model as the view. Sure, if it had been written differently from the start, it might be able to provide the differentiation being asked for. But it wasn't and it is what it is. It does have very simple keystrokes to compensate for the lack of "soft" internal format construction. If used sensibly, it can do things just as easily (using Ctrl-F as a toggle or Alt-L to reformat marked sections on-the-fly) and sometimes even more easily (free-caret / column tabs / wrapped paragraph indentation and more) than the supposedly "more capable" competition. Some users even have elaborate macro keys set up in their system enhancements to invoke a TB editor session when editing plain text as a more capable alternative... and some of these may even be ex-NoteTab or UltraEdit users. Allie, another moderator here, certainly used to do this, and, I believe, has passed on the method to others when asked. It has always been hoped that the v2 release would include extensibility in such areas as external editor support and some kind of modular plug-in capability. This would solve the problem without forcing RITlabs into considering any sweeping changes to a fundamental and widely appreciated component at this stage in the life cycle of the version 1 code. I for one would stay with the status quo. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+C26iOeQkq5KdzaARAoTfAJ47apvO2CvlMm0uuovKgIygd2jqSgCgtNaW Zy1FiT8YtiY9t+IXPN28aME= =zufI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________________________ Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
