Moderator, it is good to promote civility, but you are disciplining
the wrong person. This quote does in fact exemplify camp #2:

> You don't like the editor *and* are not comfortable with the reasons
> others give why they like it *and* don't want the advice of how you
> can achieve what you want, go use another mailer.
> 
> That's why we need different [sic!] e-mail clients (this applies to
> every artefact).

So we must retain "every artefact [sic]," accept the "reasons" and
"advice" without question....or use another mailer! This bullying
seems like camp #2 in spades.

Some unix wizards love emacs because they have memorized all the magic
keystrokes required to edit without touching a mouse. Most of us are
not like that. We want our editors to do low-level thinking for us.
There are good reasons why most editors behave differently from Bat.

I had to use Utilities > Format Block > Left at least ten times while
editing this short note. I find that to be a nuisance. Others share
this viewpoint and it is perfectly reasonable. We do not intend to
give up on Bat, but to offer our experiences in an effort to make Bat
even better. I've used Bat for many years and still find this editor
very annoying. So my habit is to use UltraEdit alongside Bat. I would
rather use just one program.

The suggestion of model/view should not be shouted down. Model/view
would give all of us what we want. People who like hard linefeeds and
Alt-L could keep on using them. Meanwhile "the rest of us" would have
a more intelligent and pleasant editor taking care of those irritating
details for us.

Mark


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