On 04/08/14 01:08, Joe Touch wrote:
> By all means. Stand on process over correctness.  

Frankly, I don't see how you could both consider that the
charter is broken and yet contribute a proposal for how
to meet the goals of the charter. You certainly did the
latter (remotely) at IETF-90, and now seem to be doing
the former, in this thread.

So, its not just a process point. I really am puzzled by
your behaviour, which seems to be totally inconsistent.
(Esp. given that you are well aware of IETF processes.)

S.


> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>>> On 04/08/14 00:48, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/08/14 16:42, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We can either discuss these issues or continue to ignore them.
>>>>
>>>> Please either provide evidence that "these issues" were ignored
>>>> during the charter discussion,
>>>
>>> The contradiction speaks for itself.
>>
>> Frankly I don't think that's at all sufficient, nor
>> even remotely compelling. A pointer to where you or
>> someone raised this point when the charter was in
>> play on this list or the IETF list might help. Absent
>> that, or even with that and no apparent support that
>> its a real issue, my conclusion is that you are just
>> second guessing the IETF consensus process and therefore
>> ought be ignored on this point.
>>
>> S.
>>
>>>
>>> Joe 
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