I thought I understood the goals of the charter but the points raised by others leads me to conclude none of us does and that the charter is mostly a hammer in search of a nail justified by a meaningless BCP.
I still believe tcp-AO-enc has its utility against connection attacks, but I don't see how any current proposal can address antitracking via unauthenticated means. Joe > On Aug 3, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On 04/08/14 01:08, Joe Touch wrote: >> By all means. Stand on process over correctness. > > Frankly, I don't see how you could both consider that the > charter is broken and yet contribute a proposal for how > to meet the goals of the charter. You certainly did the > latter (remotely) at IETF-90, and now seem to be doing > the former, in this thread. > > So, its not just a process point. I really am puzzled by > your behaviour, which seems to be totally inconsistent. > (Esp. given that you are well aware of IETF processes.) > > S. > > >> >> Joe >> >>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>>> On 04/08/14 00:48, Joe Touch wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>>> On 03/08/14 16:42, Joe Touch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We can either discuss these issues or continue to ignore them. >>>>> >>>>> Please either provide evidence that "these issues" were ignored >>>>> during the charter discussion, >>>> >>>> The contradiction speaks for itself. >>> >>> Frankly I don't think that's at all sufficient, nor >>> even remotely compelling. A pointer to where you or >>> someone raised this point when the charter was in >>> play on this list or the IETF list might help. Absent >>> that, or even with that and no apparent support that >>> its a real issue, my conclusion is that you are just >>> second guessing the IETF consensus process and therefore >>> ought be ignored on this point. >>> >>> S. >>> >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tcpinc mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpinc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tcpinc mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpinc >> >> _______________________________________________ Tcpinc mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpinc
