Hi Chris I can answer your last point for you. The keys that Apple's subsidiaries use when manufacturing the keyboards are printed as though they were going on to a Windows keyboard because they are all mass produced together. As for the VoiceOver question, that was just poorly phrased by me. Of course the VoiceOver cursor still works but you're disabling the visual representation of it which, even Lynne says, she does not need because she can hear what the changes are.
Gordon On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:28, Chris Moore <[email protected]> wrote: You are not actually disabling the voice over cursor, just visually hiding it. To do this, you press control + option + command + F11 (you might have to press FN too depending on how your function keys are set up). I wonder why VO reads out the key as option key, as on the keyboard it is actually Alt. The keyboard on on my iMac, Macbook Pro and bluetooth keyboard all have Alt printed where VO reads out as Option. On 14 Aug 2012, at 17:03, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, so how do you disable the VoiceOver cursor? I am thinking of the totally > blind, no vision whatsoever, mac user. > > On 14/08/2012 16:11, Gordon Smith wrote: >> You're correct, Chris. And actually the VoiceOver cursor is disabled here >> so that Lynne sees what we hear. She finds there's no need for the >> VoiceOver cursor at all. If you configure the mouse pointer to follow the >> VoiceOver cursor, it really makes little difference, if any, whether it's >> visible or not. VoiceOver does have its faults, it would be totally untrue >> and misleading to claim otherwise. But its seamless integration with the >> operating system is one of its strengths. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:06, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well the beauty with VoiceOver is no virtual cursors exist! Simply a >> VoiceOver cursor that a sighted person can see via a black rectangle! I know >> this is not VoiceOver but just saying! >> >> >> ======================================= >> >> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free >> >> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web >> pages located at >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at >> either of the following websites: >> >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >> >> Or: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> >> >> --------------------------------------- >> > > ======================================= > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web > pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at > either of the following websites: > > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > Or: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> > you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > --------------------------------------- ======================================= The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> --------------------------------------- <--- Gordon Smith ---> This message was written using 100 Percent recycled electrons. [email protected] Follow us on Twitter: @maciosaccess <---> ======================================= The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> ---------------------------------------
