Yes Chris, they have the Access To Work market sewn up, but I am so glad NVDA, Mavericks and Window-Eyes are more favoured choices for many now. I would love to see them go by the wayside, but perhaps not best to hold my breath that long? (smile).
Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: 09 December 2013 12:16 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: App Evaluation: Seeing Eye GPS: Three Organizations, One StellarEffort! - AccessWorldR - November 2013 Hi Jackie no i agree with you 100%. While i do have the latest Jaws installed version 15, it is a demo and will always be a demo. Fs are truly a greedy company, Gw aren't nor other screen reader vendors. Mind you the majority of us now have switched to either Nvda or System Access. i understand though Jaws is still required for complex often job related situations, so that's why Fs still sells and always will sell Jaws, just at rip off prices! Rant over. Regards Chris. On 09/12/2013 08:43, Jackie Brown wrote: > Hi Gordon > > Oh I have a real soap-box with Freedom, and it is this. You can buy two > versions of JAWS, Standard and Professional. But if you download it, there > is only the one version for either 32 or 64 bit, right? Now, when you > install whichever bit version of the software on your computer, then the > greed really kicks in. Your version of Windows determines which version you > take, Standard or Professional. So while Standard and Professional are one > and the same, FS have written it so that your version of the Microsoft OS > determines what you install. Window-Eyes is different in that regard, as is > Supernova and NVDA. The one copy fits all with those screenreaders, but not > for greedy FS's JAWS. > > In addition, JAWS takes the locking code from your PC once it is installed, > so if you make any hardware changes like adding RAM or another HD, JAWS cops > out and you are back to demo mode. You then have to put another key on from > your count, or ask FS to reset the number of keys you have back to the > designated three. They will only do this for you under certain > circumstances, for example, not less than six months. > > I think this whole gravy train thing is outrageous. They charge you for > upgrades that do very little, and only tend to fix things that have been > broken in previous versions. You can't do computer maintenance like adding > or removing memory without JAWS authorisation being affected, yet the > program is one and the same thing whether you have Standard or Pro, yet the > price is a lot different. > > So perhaps you can see why I really dislike their practice, even though I do > use JAWS myself, and why my position as an employee of the UK distributor > was severely compromised because I felt the blind community were basically > being ripped off. > > Rant over you will be glad to know! (smile). > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 08 December 2013 12:50 > To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! > Subject: Re: App Evaluation: Seeing Eye GPS: Three Organizations,One Stellar > Effort! - AccessWorldR - November 2013 > > Hi Jackie > > The current price of Jaws is £745.00 as quoted by Sight and Sound on Friday > last. I believe that the US price is $999.00 which would actually work out > about equal to the £745.00 which I was quoted. I was also quoted a nice > £195.00 for the Jaws SMA which, to be honest, is outrageous. Almost two > hundred quid for either 2 version upgrades or however many Freedom sees fit > to release in a year. I think thats how it works, but I could be wrong > there. > > I dont know why these things have to be so damned expensive. I just dont > buy the argument that they have to meet development costs. All the hundreds > of thousands of copies of Jaws which they have sold over the years, they > must be making a very tidy profit. Also, I would have thought that they > would be more than just a little worried about products like NVDA which, in > the case of NVDA in particular, are now attracting so many former users of > other products because NVDA is both free and extremely functional these > days. > > I am only looking at Jaws because it is by var and away superior to all > other products Ive trie working with in the Duxbury Braille Translator > environment. Like Mary, much of my work nowadays is in that software > environment as 95% of my work involvers Braille transcription and error > correcting of scanned main stream printed educational material. Both my > work and the translation itself have to be accurate. Thats not a matter of > choice, its a Must. One cannot expect teachers to tolerate inaccuracy in > the Braille products which they give to their pupils and Id be pretty soon > in trouble were I not to work to a very high standard. > > Im going to try the Tiger BTS suite shortly to see how well that works. I > know it isnt as functional as Duxbury in some respects, but I have a > ViewPlus EmBraille embosser so I get a free license. Nothing to lose. > > Kind regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Providing Help & Support To Young People LivingWith Visual Impairment, plus > Braille Transcription services. > > > > > Telephone: > > United Kingdom: Free Phone: > 0800 8620538 > > Mobile: > +44 7907 823971 > > Europe and other non-specified: > +44 1642 688095 > > Or: > +44 1642 941776 > > United States Of America And Canada: > +1 646 9151493 > Or: > +1 209 436 9443 > > Australasia: > +61 38 8205930 > Or: > +61 39 0284505 > > Fax: > +44 1642 365123 > > Follow Us On Twitter: > <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> > > Skype: > <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > On 6 Dec 2013, at 16:58, Jackie Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > And have a nice 40% mark-up too when you buy JAWS from the UK dealer. I get > fed up with it as well Gordon! > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 06 December 2013 13:40 > To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! > Subject: RE: App Evaluation: Seeing Eye GPS: Three Organizations,One Stellar > Effort! - AccessWorldR - November 2013 > > Hi Jackie, Dane and all > Here here! This is one of those issues which really gets up my > nose! I see absolutely no reason why some companies and entities > in the US and Canada seem to believe that those of us who reside > overseas are second class citizens, and they refuse to make > products and services available to us. > I can think of several examples of this immediately. Freedom > Scientific and GW Micro will not allow us to buy and receive > products on line. We have to waste time going through the old > boy network, and buy from dealers who for the most part also only > ship products via snale-mail. > Another shining example of this in the main stream is Avid. I > have tried several times to buy ProTools on line. I can buy it, > yes. But not the download edition. I have to wait for boxed > products, and pay the additional delivery costs. > Sorry for the rant, but as I say, this is one issue which > really gets me annoyed. > Kind Regards > Gordon Smith > Information Technology Accessibility consultant > Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss: > Advice On Accessible Information Technologies And Braille > Transcription Services. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie Brown" <[email protected] > To: "'Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!'" > <[email protected] > Date sent: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:11:12 -0000 > Subject: RE: App Evaluation: Seeing Eye GPS: Three Organizations, > One Stellar Effort! 3No, it isn't available in the UK either to > my knowledge. Come on guys, > let's have it! (smile). > > > Unfortunately this App doesn't appear to be available in > Australia, has > anyone on list tried this and if so what do they think? 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