Wow, thanks for the very detailed write-up Ken. Are any of these close to SBF so that they can be done on the same day? I have a couple of people in my group who aren't ready for big vertical stuff, short drops are ok though, good practice.
Thanks for your help Charles On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ken Harrington <[email protected]> wrote: > Charles, > > Of the caves on the list: > > Black is a horizontal cave with lots of formations. There was a forest fire > many years ago and the cave was breathing in so it collected a lot of smoke > and everything was black with soot - hence the name. There are new growth > formations that are very pretty. Cave is warm and very humid. It is an > active cave with lots of water. Nice day trip but it will be a good walk > out to it. A good four wheel drive vihicle can drive to within about 1/4 > mile of the cave. > > Cottonwood - a large cave with many different trips available. The main > passage contains very large stalagmites. There are two sections which will > require a trip leader or guide. They are called the wonderland and the > second parrallel passage. No rope work required for this cave. > > Hidden Cave - Beautiful cave. Has a short vertical drop to get into it. > Lots of rimstone pools with cave pearls and other formations. > > Red Lake Cave - can not say a thing for the cave as I have not been there. > I believe it is a small horizontal cave. > > Sentinel Cave - This is a vertical cave with a 260 foot drop in it. > Requires a trip leader or guide and good vertical skills. Beautiful > cave once you get down the drop. > > Sitting Bull Falls Cave - very easy access as it is in a park. The cave is > located behind a waterfall. Horizontal but wet. Nice family trip. > > Ain't Dean's Cave - vertical cave. I have not been there myself. Requires > hiking to get to it. > > Hell's Below Cave - very vertical cave. Lots of nice formations and > flowstone after you get down two or three levels. As with all the vertical > caves it will require a guide or trip leader. > > Pink Panther Cave - very pretty cave with nice formations. Requires a > rather lengthy hike to get to it. > > All of these caves are located at elevations of between 6500 and 7000 feet. > Hiking at these elevations is strenuous if you live at lower elevations. > > Ken > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:41:20 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list >> To: [email protected] >> >> Oh, gotcha. >> >> Ken, do you mind advising a bit on these caves a bit? I'm in the >> planning phase for a trip in June and have never been to any of these >> caves. SBF is one I want to see, are any of the others in the same >> area or easy driving distance for a same day trip? I looked around >> online looking for a general description of these caves, similar to >> what NPS and BLM have posted about their recreational caves, but found >> nothing other than a few pictures. >> >> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. >> Charles >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Ken Harrington >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Charles, >> > >> > They were only opened up again last Friday. >> > >> > Ken >> > >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:35:12 -0600 >> >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> Thanks for all of the work you have done for us Ken. I'm glad to see >> >> these caves back open to us. I recently had asked for permits for a >> >> couple of these (within the last month) and was denied. >> >> >> >> Charles - cavetex list administrator >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Ken Harrington >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Some day i will remember that that the nmcaver routing does not allow >> >> > attachments. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > So.... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The following is a recreation of a document that I got from the >> >> > Forest >> >> > Service this morning. Please be aware that this is a draft document. >> >> > >> >> > Up dated 03/04/2010 >> >> > >> >> > The Lincoln National Forest is opening a limited number of caves for >> >> > recreational caving. The limited number of caves is due to the >> >> > limited >> >> > amount of time that qualified personnel are able to conduct the >> >> > monitoring >> >> > requirements. The monitoring will be done with assistance from cave >> >> > specialist with other federal government agencies (BLM, NPS) in the >> >> > area. >> >> > The normal regulations will apply with the following provisions: >> >> > >> >> > 1. The permit request will be required two weeks in advance of the >> >> > date >> >> > of the permit. >> >> > >> >> > 2. Permitted groups may be accompanied by a Forest Service >> >> > representative for monitoring purposes. >> >> > >> >> > 3. The Forest Service representative has the authority to end any >> >> > trip >> >> > anytime due to any one of the following reasons: >> >> > >> >> > a. Lack of proper equipment >> >> > >> >> > b. Improper actions during the trip >> >> > >> >> > c. Violations pertaining to resource concerns >> >> > >> >> > The following caves are the ones open for recreational caving: >> >> > >> >> > 1. Black Cave >> >> > 2. Cottonwood Cave >> >> > 3. Hidden Cave >> >> > 4. Red lake Cave >> >> > 5. Sentinel Cave >> >> > 6. Sitting Bull Falls Cave >> >> > 7. Ain’t Dean’s Cave* >> >> > 8. Hell Below Cave* >> >> > 9. Pink Panther Cave* >> >> > >> >> > The High Guads Restoration Projects will continue as planned by HGRP >> >> > coordinator. >> >> > >> >> > * Requires Trip Leader >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> >> > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> >> > inbox. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > NMCAVER mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net >> >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> > inbox. >> > Learn More. > > ________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. 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