Charles,
Okay you got to help me - what is SBF??? Ken > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:24:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list > To: [email protected] > > Wow, thanks for the very detailed write-up Ken. Are any of these > close to SBF so that they can be done on the same day? I have a > couple of people in my group who aren't ready for big vertical stuff, > short drops are ok though, good practice. > > Thanks for your help > Charles > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ken Harrington > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Charles, > > > > Of the caves on the list: > > > > Black is a horizontal cave with lots of formations. There was a forest fire > > many years ago and the cave was breathing in so it collected a lot of smoke > > and everything was black with soot - hence the name. There are new growth > > formations that are very pretty. Cave is warm and very humid. It is an > > active cave with lots of water. Nice day trip but it will be a good walk > > out to it. A good four wheel drive vihicle can drive to within about 1/4 > > mile of the cave. > > > > Cottonwood - a large cave with many different trips available. The main > > passage contains very large stalagmites. There are two sections which will > > require a trip leader or guide. They are called the wonderland and the > > second parrallel passage. No rope work required for this cave. > > > > Hidden Cave - Beautiful cave. Has a short vertical drop to get into it. > > Lots of rimstone pools with cave pearls and other formations. > > > > Red Lake Cave - can not say a thing for the cave as I have not been there. > > I believe it is a small horizontal cave. > > > > Sentinel Cave - This is a vertical cave with a 260 foot drop in it. > > Requires a trip leader or guide and good vertical skills. Beautiful > > cave once you get down the drop. > > > > Sitting Bull Falls Cave - very easy access as it is in a park. The cave is > > located behind a waterfall. Horizontal but wet. Nice family trip. > > > > Ain't Dean's Cave - vertical cave. I have not been there myself. Requires > > hiking to get to it. > > > > Hell's Below Cave - very vertical cave. Lots of nice formations and > > flowstone after you get down two or three levels. As with all the vertical > > caves it will require a guide or trip leader. > > > > Pink Panther Cave - very pretty cave with nice formations. Requires a > > rather lengthy hike to get to it. > > > > All of these caves are located at elevations of between 6500 and 7000 feet. > > Hiking at these elevations is strenuous if you live at lower elevations. > > > > Ken > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:41:20 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> Oh, gotcha. > >> > >> Ken, do you mind advising a bit on these caves a bit? I'm in the > >> planning phase for a trip in June and have never been to any of these > >> caves. SBF is one I want to see, are any of the others in the same > >> area or easy driving distance for a same day trip? I looked around > >> online looking for a general description of these caves, similar to > >> what NPS and BLM have posted about their recreational caves, but found > >> nothing other than a few pictures. > >> > >> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > >> Charles > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Ken Harrington > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Charles, > >> > > >> > They were only opened up again last Friday. > >> > > >> > Ken > >> > > >> >> From: [email protected] > >> >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:35:12 -0600 > >> >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for all of the work you have done for us Ken. I'm glad to see > >> >> these caves back open to us. I recently had asked for permits for a > >> >> couple of these (within the last month) and was denied. > >> >> > >> >> Charles - cavetex list administrator > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Ken Harrington > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Some day i will remember that that the nmcaver routing does not allow > >> >> > attachments. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > So.... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > The following is a recreation of a document that I got from the > >> >> > Forest > >> >> > Service this morning. Please be aware that this is a draft document. > >> >> > > >> >> > Up dated 03/04/2010 > >> >> > > >> >> > The Lincoln National Forest is opening a limited number of caves for > >> >> > recreational caving. The limited number of caves is due to the > >> >> > limited > >> >> > amount of time that qualified personnel are able to conduct the > >> >> > monitoring > >> >> > requirements. The monitoring will be done with assistance from cave > >> >> > specialist with other federal government agencies (BLM, NPS) in the > >> >> > area. > >> >> > The normal regulations will apply with the following provisions: > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. The permit request will be required two weeks in advance of the > >> >> > date > >> >> > of the permit. > >> >> > > >> >> > 2. Permitted groups may be accompanied by a Forest Service > >> >> > representative for monitoring purposes. > >> >> > > >> >> > 3. The Forest Service representative has the authority to end any > >> >> > trip > >> >> > anytime due to any one of the following reasons: > >> >> > > >> >> > a. Lack of proper equipment > >> >> > > >> >> > b. Improper actions during the trip > >> >> > > >> >> > c. Violations pertaining to resource concerns > >> >> > > >> >> > The following caves are the ones open for recreational caving: > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. Black Cave > >> >> > 2. Cottonwood Cave > >> >> > 3. Hidden Cave > >> >> > 4. Red lake Cave > >> >> > 5. Sentinel Cave > >> >> > 6. Sitting Bull Falls Cave > >> >> > 7. Ain’t Dean’s Cave* > >> >> > 8. Hell Below Cave* > >> >> > 9. Pink Panther Cave* > >> >> > > >> >> > The High Guads Restoration Projects will continue as planned by HGRP > >> >> > coordinator. > >> >> > > >> >> > * Requires Trip Leader > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> >> > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > >> >> > inbox. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > NMCAVER mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net > >> >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. 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