Oh, my bad, I've seen that abbreviation on the Forest webpages for Sitting Bull Falls park and cave. I was getting lazy there in my emails :)
Thanks Charles On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Ken Harrington <[email protected]> wrote: > Charles, > > Okay you got to help me - what is SBF??? > > Ken > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:24:49 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list >> To: [email protected] >> >> Wow, thanks for the very detailed write-up Ken. Are any of these >> close to SBF so that they can be done on the same day? I have a >> couple of people in my group who aren't ready for big vertical stuff, >> short drops are ok though, good practice. >> >> Thanks for your help >> Charles >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ken Harrington >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Charles, >> > >> > Of the caves on the list: >> > >> > Black is a horizontal cave with lots of formations. There was a forest >> > fire >> > many years ago and the cave was breathing in so it collected a lot of >> > smoke >> > and everything was black with soot - hence the name. There are new >> > growth >> > formations that are very pretty. Cave is warm and very humid. It is an >> > active cave with lots of water. Nice day trip but it will be a good >> > walk >> > out to it. A good four wheel drive vihicle can drive to within about >> > 1/4 >> > mile of the cave. >> > >> > Cottonwood - a large cave with many different trips available. The main >> > passage contains very large stalagmites. There are two sections which >> > will >> > require a trip leader or guide. They are called the wonderland and the >> > second parrallel passage. No rope work required for this cave. >> > >> > Hidden Cave - Beautiful cave. Has a short vertical drop to get into it. >> > Lots of rimstone pools with cave pearls and other formations. >> > >> > Red Lake Cave - can not say a thing for the cave as I have not been >> > there. >> > I believe it is a small horizontal cave. >> > >> > Sentinel Cave - This is a vertical cave with a 260 foot drop in it. >> > Requires a trip leader or guide and good vertical skills. Beautiful >> > cave once you get down the drop. >> > >> > Sitting Bull Falls Cave - very easy access as it is in a park. The cave >> > is >> > located behind a waterfall. Horizontal but wet. Nice family trip. >> > >> > Ain't Dean's Cave - vertical cave. I have not been there myself. >> > Requires >> > hiking to get to it. >> > >> > Hell's Below Cave - very vertical cave. Lots of nice formations and >> > flowstone after you get down two or three levels. As with all the >> > vertical >> > caves it will require a guide or trip leader. >> > >> > Pink Panther Cave - very pretty cave with nice formations. Requires a >> > rather lengthy hike to get to it. >> > >> > All of these caves are located at elevations of between 6500 and 7000 >> > feet. >> > Hiking at these elevations is strenuous if you live at lower elevations. >> > >> > Ken >> > >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:41:20 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> Oh, gotcha. >> >> >> >> Ken, do you mind advising a bit on these caves a bit? I'm in the >> >> planning phase for a trip in June and have never been to any of these >> >> caves. SBF is one I want to see, are any of the others in the same >> >> area or easy driving distance for a same day trip? I looked around >> >> online looking for a general description of these caves, similar to >> >> what NPS and BLM have posted about their recreational caves, but found >> >> nothing other than a few pictures. >> >> >> >> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Ken Harrington >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Charles, >> >> > >> >> > They were only opened up again last Friday. >> >> > >> >> > Ken >> >> > >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> >> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:35:12 -0600 >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Guads cave list >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for all of the work you have done for us Ken. I'm glad to see >> >> >> these caves back open to us. I recently had asked for permits for a >> >> >> couple of these (within the last month) and was denied. >> >> >> >> >> >> Charles - cavetex list administrator >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Ken Harrington >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Some day i will remember that that the nmcaver routing does not >> >> >> > allow >> >> >> > attachments. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So.... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The following is a recreation of a document that I got from the >> >> >> > Forest >> >> >> > Service this morning. Please be aware that this is a draft >> >> >> > document. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Up dated 03/04/2010 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Lincoln National Forest is opening a limited number of caves >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > recreational caving. The limited number of caves is due to the >> >> >> > limited >> >> >> > amount of time that qualified personnel are able to conduct the >> >> >> > monitoring >> >> >> > requirements. The monitoring will be done with assistance from >> >> >> > cave >> >> >> > specialist with other federal government agencies (BLM, NPS) in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > area. >> >> >> > The normal regulations will apply with the following provisions: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. The permit request will be required two weeks in advance of >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > date >> >> >> > of the permit. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 2. Permitted groups may be accompanied by a Forest Service >> >> >> > representative for monitoring purposes. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 3. The Forest Service representative has the authority to end any >> >> >> > trip >> >> >> > anytime due to any one of the following reasons: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > a. Lack of proper equipment >> >> >> > >> >> >> > b. Improper actions during the trip >> >> >> > >> >> >> > c. Violations pertaining to resource concerns >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The following caves are the ones open for recreational caving: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 1. Black Cave >> >> >> > 2. Cottonwood Cave >> >> >> > 3. Hidden Cave >> >> >> > 4. Red lake Cave >> >> >> > 5. Sentinel Cave >> >> >> > 6. Sitting Bull Falls Cave >> >> >> > 7. Ain’t Dean’s Cave* >> >> >> > 8. Hell Below Cave* >> >> >> > 9. Pink Panther Cave* >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The High Guads Restoration Projects will continue as planned by >> >> >> > HGRP >> >> >> > coordinator. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > * Requires Trip Leader >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> > The New Busy is not the old busy. 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