Herr Charles and others, Achtung!
Paradise Canyon is a great venue, especially for an old fart and his precious 
June who both appreciate the convenience of a private cabin. However I do miss 
the after dark camaraderie of sitting around your and others camp fires before 
hitting the cot. My favorite venue of a few years ago was Fort Clark and 
Springs at Brackettville. A little far for a few in East Texas but better for 
West Texas and New Mexico. Great facilities, fabulous water and several of our 
favorite wild? caves in the general area. Gets my vote.
Are we locked in to Paradise Canyon? We put too much emphasis on meal 
preparation for the whole group. I'm with Charles, I would be happy with 
everyone bringing and preparing their own meals. The event fee should remain 
the same if no meals are served and the fee used to defer other expenses. An 
exception would be the grottos offering breakfast for a contribution, always 
welcome. Bored yet?
Herr Fritz (Holt)
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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved 
> around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly 
> boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other 
> cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is 
> stuck, dead in the water.
> 
> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the 
> valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
> died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
> cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool 
> food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and 
> got after it. 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Paradise Canyon
>> October 12-15, 2017
>> 
>> 
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