It's the same tired song and dance every year. I have noticed a trend of the 
complainers being the people who are the least involved. Every friggin' year. I 
like Paradise Canyon but I go to TCR to see and visit with Cavers. 

Sheryl Rieck
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"You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
find you get what you need" Rolling Stones

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon?
> 
> Charles, get over it. Paradise Canyon agreed to a good price if we kept TCR 
> there for the next 5 years. If no one hasn't noticed things are getting more 
> expensive these days. If you can find a better price than what we are 
> currently paying with as many amenities, showers, river, electricity, 
> bathrooms, ice, picnic tables, porto-potties, nice green manicured camping, 
> Lodges with baths and A/C. What are you griping about, we haven’t seen you 
> there in some time anyway. Besides weren’t you happy there was LODGING with 
> A/C there? I distinctly remember you asking about it.
> 
>> The OTR used to be fun when it moved around.
> 
> Well, this isn’t OTR.
> 
>> Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly boring 
>> after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other cooked 
>> at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is stuck, 
>> dead in the water.
> 
> Dead? Are you volunteering to honcho it up? I’d be happy to turn it over to 
> you. Just say the word and it’s all yours.
> 
>> OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
>> were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there 
>> were about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but 
>> enough. Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from 
>> the valley. Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, 
>> turkey, hot links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, 
>> black beans, refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million 
>> brownies, chicken, Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had 
>> quail, and the people gobbled it up. 
> 
> Great! Since we lost our cook last year, it sounds like you would be the 
> perfect head cook. Are you volunteering? That menu sounds awesome, go ahead 
> and purchase the stuff and get me a reciept and I’ll put you down as head 
> cook. HEY EVERBODY! IGOR IS OUR NEW HEAD COOK! WOOO!!
> 
>> All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition 
>> has died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the 
>> old cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 
> 
> Well, seeing you haven't come to a -TCR- (Texas Cavers Reunion, been named 
> that for only the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS) you have totally missed out on 
> some fine cooking by the experts we have that ACTUALLY STEPPED UP and 
> VOLUNTEERED. Stefan and Vico and the rest of the COOKS have done an awesome 
> and thankless job for everybody. But of course your stepping up will easily 
> surpass their cooking, no? We look forward to it!
> 
>> Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
>> haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
>> for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to 
>> those who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the 
>> wool food Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires 
>> and got after it.
> 
> Well that's just awesome, good for you. Sorry you’ll be disappointed for the 
> next five years. Maybe you should just keep staying home.
> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Paradise Canyon
>>> October 12-15, 2017
> 
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