On 09/27/2010 06:40 AM, Michael Renzmann wrote:
> Hi.
>
>>> I've then started to implement a cache for these things, so that the
>>> rendering happens only once, but got stuck somewhere in the middle. If I
>>> remember correctly, the latest state of that work is not yet available
>>> in the repository. Anyway, Trac meanwhile implements its own cache
>>> implementation, which is much better than what I came up with and which
>>> thus should be used for our purposes. I have to look at that stuff
>>> again.
>>
>> So, Trac 0.11 doesn't have this cache, so we won't get any improvement
>> there, but why on 0.10 this works faster??
>
> Well, I think in the end the speed issues are caused by Genshi. It's a
> known fact that Genshi is generally a bit slower than Clearsilver. In
> addition, there have been a lot of changes in how the hacks listings are
> generated (just compare the hacks list on both, the live and the testbed
> site).
Maybe the homepage should not list all hacks then but link to [a] extra
page(s)? Caching the list and especially the descriptions, at least
somehow, would be essential anyway.

>
>> Debian guys are strange - see the list of bugfixes at
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/tags/1.6.12/CHANGES - I do
>> not know what are they thinking about leaving 1.5.1 for ordinary
>> folks. I run backported version on Lenny without any problems.
>
> That's Debian policy, I think - once "stable" is stable, the packages are
> not updated to new program versions. Of course that means you won't run
> top-notch versions on your Debian server, but you can be sure that your
> server remains stable and that configuration changes and other "hickups",
> which may result from upgrading packages to a new program version will not
> occur unless you upgrade to the next new stable. Personally, I prefer this
> scheme over running a production server on the bleeding edge :)
Yeah, Debian's two versions: either unstable or outdated ...

I agree, it doesn't have to be "bleeding", but I ran in the trouble
under my Ubuntu installations (which is Debian based) where I had to
manual compile it to get 1.6. It is a major upgrade from upstream, so it
should be supported. I went from Gentoo to Ubuntu to avoid compiling. :-)

Another example was this thing with gvim which spamed the console with
hundreds of trivial messages at start-up where they refused to
"backport" the also trivial fix, released just in the week after the
official release. All in the holy name of "stability".

Regards,
Martin

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