Frankly my intention is/was to provoke laughter at the anxiety of today's parents about the education of their children.But it has turned into the top high brow. YM
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:08 PM Sithamalli Balasubramanian < [email protected]> wrote: > Instead of ridiculing science we should be proud that our ancestors > realized many things science discovers. One thing we should acknowledge: we > know how science discovers, - by observation and inference. Inference may > be wrong whilst observation would not be. > We do not know how the ancients arrived at the concepts > I had drawn attention to a whole set of concepts- Genesis, Evolution etc. > that were speculated by the ancients. > There are two ways in which this could come about: 1. Our brain is wired > for these realization/discovery. This is called intuition. 2. It could be > put in another way- intelligent imagination - like the superman and other > comics including the TV show Star Trek. > The Tamil Mahabharata narration directed by Krishna gives a > different account in Abhimanyu's story. Krishna was actually teaching him > the technique of chakravyuha. Something intervened (which was not clear > even in the TV-show) and Krishna could not teach him how to get out of the > circle. > Perhaps the author may be amused that Aldous Huxey called "womb learning", > hypno-pedia, in his Brave New World. I think it was i1930s. > One more thing: I doubt if it is confirmed by scientific observation. > Skb. > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 13:13, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ya always one from one Thank you K R IRS >> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 12:51, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My aim is to make all laugh. >>> But I did not expect the handsome dividend from you.I congratulate >>> myself,for provoking your enlightening juices. >>> YM >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:58 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Pranam >>>> Microsoft Word - Aitareya Upanishad-TNS-Complete >>>> >>>> ABHIMANYU, EDUCATION AND BIRTH TIME CONCEPTS >>>> >>>> 1 YMji shows a satire on education of IIT jee and similar standards >>>> of money-making coaching of today, and compares the students as if >>>> Abhimanyu half baked syndrome. If I am correct it is mocking the system of >>>> today. However, because Subadra slept over and perhaps Abhimanyu was >>>> listening is unknown to Arjuna, the withdrawal technology was unknown to >>>> Abhimanyu who took to fighting as student of Balarama and Arjuna entering >>>> the arena of war and for saving grace, asking him to enter and break the >>>> Chakra promising to help him by following him along with but failed to >>>> chase as the vihuham was closed after the entry of Abhimanyu. Ofcourse >>>> >>>> Abhimanyu was born to Arjuna the 3rd Pandava, and Subadra, the >>>> sister of Sri Krishna According to a Tamil folklore, when Abhimanyu was in >>>> his mother's womb, he heard about the Chakravyuham. He only gained half >>>> knowledge which was entering the Chakravyuham. As an unborn child in his >>>> mother’s womb, Abhimanyu learned the knowledge of entering the deadly and >>>> virtually impenetrable Chakravyuham from Arjuna. The Mahabharata explains >>>> that from the womb, Abhimanyu overheard Arjuna talking about this with his >>>> mother Subhadra. Arjuna explained to Subhadra in detail the technique of >>>> attacking and escaping from various vyoohs (an array of army formation) >>>> such as Makaravyoha, Kurma Vyuha, Sarpavyuha, etc. After explaining all the >>>> vyoohs, he explained about the technique of cracking Chakravyuha, and >>>> entering it. When he was about to explain how to exit from the Chakravyuha, >>>> he realised that Subadra was asleep and stopped explaining about the >>>> Chakravyuham further. In return, the baby Abhimanyu in the womb did not get >>>> a chance to learn how to come out of it. >>>> >>>> The lesson is that it is karma that reacts stronger than the >>>> learning or the exploitations. Everyone knew the weakness of the warrior >>>> and were willing to provide the back up and wanted to use the tool to break >>>> the ice, yet the karma conquered ultimately, whereas even the dead children >>>> killed by Ashwattama were revived by Krishna. One thing to choose the >>>> better one to learn; and 2 even if learnt better Karma will win over. >>>> >>>> The concept of a child can learn even at the womb was professed >>>> 5000 years back whereas they say it is a modern science!. But the concept >>>> is no doubt true. *Pralhad’s* mother, Queen Kayadhu was pregnant with >>>> him, she used to listen to devotional songs and words of Narada Muni. Now >>>> what do our scriptures say about it? Aitareya upanishad speaks about it: >>>> chap 2 >>>> >>>> “ This final substance constitutes the essence of everything, and >>>> it is our very Self. It is called the Atman. It is the Atman because it is >>>> the root substance of all things which are in the position of an effect. >>>> The Aitareya Upanishad proclaims that the Atman, in the beginning, was the >>>> all; and it has become all this universe. Total effect came out of the >>>> Total Cause. From Brahman came the universe. There is an inscrutable >>>> relationship, ‘*anirvachaniya sambandha*’, between the effect and the >>>> cause. There is not an absolute identity, because there is a manifestation. >>>> It is not an absolute manifestation, because we can see our relationship >>>> with the cause. This relationship between God and man, the Creator and the >>>> universe, the Absolute and the relative, is unintelligible. “*Atma va >>>> idam eka evagra asit, nanyat kin cana misat*,” says the Aitareya >>>> Upanishad. >>>> >>>> Now, this is a very grand concept the Upanishads are placing >>>> before us in connection with the process of the creation of the universe, >>>> and we are very happy to hear all these truths. >>>> >>>> *OM puruShe ha vA ayamAdito garbho bhavati yadetadretaH >>>> .tadetatsarvebhyo.a~NgebhyastejaH saMbhUtamAtmanyeva.a.atmAnaM bibharti >>>> tadyadA striyA.n si~nchatyathainajjanayati tadasya prathama.n janma .. 1.. >>>> *This person (Jiva) is, at first, the germ in a man. That which is the >>>> semen is here called the germ. This semen is the vigor drawn from all the >>>> limbs. The man holds this essence of his Self in his own body. When he >>>> pours the semen into a woman, he procreates himself. This, indeed, is the >>>> first >>>> birth of the embodied soul. >>>> >>>> *sA bhAvayitrI bhAvayitavyA bhavati . ta.n strI garbha >>>> bibharti . so.agra eva kumAra.n janmano.agre.adhibhAvayati . sa >>>> yatkumAra.n janmano.agre.adhibhAvayatyAtmAnameva tadbhAvayatyeSha.n >>>> **lokAnA.n >>>> santatyA . eva.n santatA hIme lokAstadasya dvitIya.n janma .. 3.. *She, >>>> being the nourisher of the child , should be nourished. The woman nourishes >>>> the embryo. Immediately after its birth the father nourishes the child. >>>> Nourishing the child from birth onward, he thus nourishes himself for the >>>> continuation of these worlds. For thus alone are these worlds perpetuated. >>>> This is one's second birth. >>>> >>>> *so.asyAyamAtmA puNyebhyaH karmabhyaH pratidhIyate . >>>> athAsyAyAmitara AtmA kRitakRityo vayogataH praiti . sa itaH prayanneva >>>> punarjAyate tadasya tRitIya.n janma .. 4..*The child who is the >>>> father’s own Self is made his substitute for performing virtuous deeds. >>>> Then the Self of the father, having accomplished his duties and reached his >>>> age departs. So departing hence, he is born again. This is the third >>>> birth. >>>> >>>> *taduktamRiShiNA garbhe nu sannanveShAmavedamaha.n devAnA.n >>>> janimAni vishvA shataM mA pura AyasIrarakShannadhaH shyeno javasA >>>> niradIyamiti . garbha evaitachChayAno vAmadeva evamuvAcha .. 5.. *About >>>> this a rishi has said: "While still lying in the womb, I came to know all >>>> the births of the gods. A hundred strongholds, as if made of iron, confined >>>> me, yet I burst through them all swiftly, like a hawk." Vamadeva spoke, >>>> in this way, even while lying in the womb. { a child learns even in >>>> the womb right from Upanishad of the Rig, Vamadeva said I learnt even while >>>> in the womb}. >>>> >>>> Sage Vamadeva, even while he was in his mother’s womb, >>>> obtained the real knowledge. Thus he said at that very stage, “O, what an >>>> amazing thing that while living in the womb itself I came to know the >>>> reality about these gods i.e. inner senses and their several births. In >>>> other words, I knew that it is the inner sense and *indriyas *which >>>> are subjected to birth and death and not the Atman. Before I realized this >>>> secret I had to pass through several bodily cages hard like iron. I had >>>> such a strong identity with them that it was very difficult for me to get >>>> rid of them. Now, like a hawk, by applying the full strength of knowledge I >>>> broke all the fetters and became detached and free. I have no relation with >>>> the body and understood that I am not the body” >>>> >>>> *sa eva.n vidvAnasmAchCharIrabhedAdUrdhva utkramyAmuShmin. h >>>> svarge loke sarvAn.h kAmAnAptvA.amRitaH samabhavat.h samabhavat.h .. 6.. >>>> *Thus >>>> endowed with Knowledge, he, becoming one with the Supreme Self and soaring >>>> aloft on the dissolution of the body, obtained all desires in the heavenly >>>> world and became immortal-yea, became immortal. >>>> >>>> In this way Sage Vamadeva knew the secret of transmigration while he >>>> was in the womb itself. He knew that while a man feels himself identified >>>> with the body, he cannot escape the cycles of birth and death. Vamadeva >>>> coming through life rose up high from the mundane level and reached the >>>> Supreme abode of the Lord. There he found himself with no desires that were >>>> to be fulfilled and became immortal. He got released forever from the wheel >>>> of birth and death. “ end of chap2. >>>> >>>> So it is not modern science but the science told long back >>>> which when we read are astounded!. Kamya Karya cannot be stopped as long as >>>> human desire exist.And Karma shall react whether it is Abhimanyu or >>>> Vamadeva or Druva concepts. KR S 3121 >>>> >>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 21:27, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Mar*The Abhimanyu Concept Revolution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The great champion of earliest possible start in the IIT-JEE >>>>> coaching,Mr Education, who pioneered coaching the pregnant and very >>>>> ambitious mothers, in the IIT-JEE subjects, as a champion of lateral >>>>> development concepts, introduced many other innovations. >>>>> >>>>> 1) During the purposeful sex to get a child, the couple must >>>>> become good in the IIT JEE subjects by taking his special coaching. >>>>> Because >>>>> according to him, at the exact nano second, when the 23 chromosomes of the >>>>> husband fuse with the 23 chromosomes of the wife, to become zygote, the >>>>> DNA >>>>> molecule with billions of base pairs or genes forms instantly in that >>>>> zygote. That was the exact second when the lessons can be implanted in the >>>>> DNA.The lessons become genetic, part of the great DNA time table, every >>>>> base pair in the double helix, getting ready for creating the basic >>>>> connecting concepts to understand the lessons. It is just like the Higgs >>>>> field where the Higgs Bosons sprouted, in just nano seconds. The couple >>>>> must treat the sex as the vital time to remember the lessons, for which >>>>> they must prepare at least for an year, and concentrate only on the >>>>> lessons >>>>> and treat the birth of the zygote with the DNA as their Big bang. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Mr Educationist champions the feeding of the child with only >>>>> the mother’s milk. According to him, the mother’s milk contains the >>>>> lessons >>>>> she learnt, and she will be actually feeding the child with the vital >>>>> lessons. The mother must prepare definite times for the feeds, for the >>>>> Physics feed, when she remembers the Physics lessons, the Chemistry feed >>>>> time when she remembers the Chemistry lessons and Mathematics feed time >>>>> for >>>>> mathematics. As the child may also appear for the Doctor’s JEE,there must >>>>> be specific feed times for those subjects also. >>>>> >>>>> 3) The great educationist, has developed a clear module for >>>>> training in the Abhimanyu innovation---during the time when the zygote and >>>>> the DNA in it big bangs, during the pregnancy when the mothers sit in the >>>>> classrooms, to enable the child in the womb learn, and after delivery >>>>> during the growth of the Child, when it is fed with mother’s milk only. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Proud of his great innovations he applied for the President’s Best >>>>> Teacher Award, as he also was in the staff of a college located with a >>>>> Kirana shop, in a very busy locality. >>>>> >>>>> YM >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CACDCHCJvcXD--VkujsPBOZNh2nAti9WVH3EEFuzUodbboOsGAA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CACDCHCJvcXD--VkujsPBOZNh2nAti9WVH3EEFuzUodbboOsGAA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL5XZoqbQGo7ZFsky-9E8%3DPPZetRRZ4p0-ztef9cXg9UBgi81g%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL5XZoqbQGo7ZFsky-9E8%3DPPZetRRZ4p0-ztef9cXg9UBgi81g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAPYPc1562gJ_yebooszc%2Bnu%3DEL1fWKGA-Wb94N1YJx1540gtLA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAPYPc1562gJ_yebooszc%2Bnu%3DEL1fWKGA-Wb94N1YJx1540gtLA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAOSW9WsExzVi2B87yLoNko9Ua-oz8C_jHbmwjgXL2zg7xfpzqQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAOSW9WsExzVi2B87yLoNko9Ua-oz8C_jHbmwjgXL2zg7xfpzqQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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