Respected Mr Rajaram,
Please stop the Tamil abusing. By your abusing again and again you provoke
others and shows yourself your culture is low and you are degrading your
former ITS position which you hold with prestige. You may appreciate my
thinking - I hope.
The moment you stop your abusing, others will also stop abusing you.
Gopalakrishnan
On Friday, 8 September, 2023 at 09:49:50 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]> wrote:
Is that the limit of your response? Are you incapable of talking sense?
You remind me of a black langur whose only response a snarl, a few hysterical
shrieks and frothing at the mouth
Come man, learn to articulate like a human, not like a primate. But i doubt if
you're at all capablble of it
I still wonder how you entered the IRS. And now, judging by your incoherent
gibberish of a response, it's proved that your lying to the teeth
On Fri, 8 Sep, 2023, 8:03 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <[email protected]>
wrote:
Punnakku you should have learnt some basic and shall not pretend like your anna
Poda porukki
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 18:52, Laxminarayan Sarma <[email protected]>
wrote:
Aping Artiste iArsE
Where did you copy this from
May auspicious works, unmolested, unimpeded, and subversive (of foes), come to
us from every quarter; may the gods, turning not away from us, but granting us
protection day by day, be ever with us for our advancement.”
K Rajartam IRS 6 9 23
At least have the basic decency and honesty to quote the source ibstead of
pretending to have authored it. It doesn't need a genius, even a quasi literate
like you is familiar with and quite usef to the fact that you're not even
capable of stringing together four coherent words to form an intelligent
sentence to express even the simplest of ideas.
Have the humility to admit your own imbecility and incapacity to engage in
intelligent discussion , conversation with even an average person like me,
leave alone the likes of the learned, experienced, wise and near centenarian
Shri Narayanaswamy Anna. Apologise to him, and learn from him the basics of the
English Language, etiquettes, culture and Humility
It's never too late to mend your ways. *
And please, don't write in English. It's DEFINITELY your cup of tea. Tamil or
Malayalam will be okay
Show quoted text
On Thu, 7 Sep, 2023, 12:21 pm Narayanaswamy Iyer, <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
Someone should tell dalit-by-choice K Rajartam ex-IRS 6 9 23 alias NAYUNDA
MAVEN alias MOTOB (Master of Tamil obscenities and blasphemies) that his
irrelevant, irreverent, ill-conceived, ignorant, subversive and parasitic rants
are not welcome in this august forum of virtuous vipras.
He should keep his polluting syphilitic paws off the iyer123 website.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 12:52 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
A right note struck as the shanti mantra, "Aano bhadra (hear) krathavo (action)
yanthu VISWATHA (UNIVERSE) word of wisdom from Rig veda Mandala 1 and chap 89
verse 1 out of 10 in that chap opens up the sentiments of today THE HUMAN
WELFARE AND THE RIGHTS AS WELL AS THE BHARATHA DESAM.
आ । नः । भद्राः । क्रतवः । यन्तु । विश्वतः । अदब्धासः । अपरिइतासः । उत्भिदः ।
देवाः । नः । यथा । सदम् । इत् । वृधे । असन् । अप्रआयुवः । रक्षितारः । दिवेदिवे ॥
ā | naḥ | bhadrāḥ | kratavaḥ | yantu | viśvataḥ |adabdhāsaḥ | apari-itāsaḥ |
ut-bhidaḥ | devāḥ | naḥ | yathā | sadam | it | vṛdhe| asan | apra-āyuvaḥ |
rakṣitāraḥ | dive—dive
“May auspicious works, unmolested, unimpeded, andsubversive (of foes), come to
us from every quarter; may the gods, turning notaway from us, but granting us
protection day by day, be ever with us for ouradvancement.”
आ नो भद्राः क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वतोऽदब्धासो अपरीतासउद्भिदः ।
देवा नो यथा सदमिद्वृधे असन्नप्रायुवो रक्षितारोदिवेदिवे ॥
A no bhadrahkratavo yantu visvato.adabdhaso aparitasa udbhidah, deva no yatha
sadamid vrdheasannaprayuvo raksitaro dive-dive
Meaning of themantra.
1. Let noblethoughts come to us from every side.{ and these thoughts found in
Tamil sanga Ilakkiyam and Niruktam and Mahabharatha shanti parvam etc spread
over righteously today the the 6th sept 2023 Krishna Jayanthi day aftert he
teachers' day. }
2. May auspicious benevolent doers of good deeds,inviolable or un-molested from
all quarters, un-forsakable or worthy ofassociation ,annihilators of all
miseries, learned men endowed with divinevirtues ever come to our homes to give
us knowledge. May they be our protectorsevery day for our advancement, never
failing their duties, being alert ordevoid of laziness.
3. As a well-built good house suitable in all seasonsgives all happiness, in
the same manner, men should know that knowledge,learned persons and yajnas
consiting of art and crafts cause happiness to- all.
“May the benevolent favour of the gods (be ours); may thebounty of the gods,
ever approving of the upright, light upon us; may we obtainthe friendship of
the gods, and may the gods extend our days to longevity.”
TheMantra you quoted in the question is from Rig-Veda Samhita 1.89.1 - Rishi
ofthis Sukta is Gautama and the deity is Vishvadevas. This Mantra is also
foundin Vajaseniya Samhita 25.14. This sukta is calledShantipath sukta or
Swastimantra. where Swasti means a blessing seeking thewell-being of people.
These mantras are used to invite peace and Well-being ordrive away negative and
destructive forces.
आ नो भद्राः क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वत्व् अदब्धासोअपरीतास उद्भिदः |
देवा नो यथा सदमिद्वृधे असन्न-प्रायुवो रक्षितारोदिवे-दिवे || 1.89.1 ||
ā no bhadrāḥ kratavo kṣyantu viśvato adabdhāso aparītāsaudbhidaḥ |
devā no yathā sadamid vṛdhe asanaprāyuvo rakṣitārodive-dive || 1 ||
May auspicious works, unmolested, unimpeded, andsubversive (of foes), come to
us from every quarter. May the Gods, turning notaway from us, but granting us
protection day by day, be ever with us , for ouradvancement. - H.H. Wilson.
May noble thoughts come to us from every side, unchanged,unhindered, undefeated
in every way; May the gods always be with us for ourgain and our protectors
caring for us, ceaseless, every day. - AlternateTranslation
According to scholars, this mantra shows the willingnessof Vedic people and
culture to receive noble and worthy ideas/thoughts/worksfrom all the quarters
i.e. from all the parts of the universe. That meansincluding all the lokas also
like dyu Loka etc. which are beyond earth. But itis said that let us not accept
those noble works/thoughts/works under pressurefrom something. That means we
should accept those willing fully. And let themen proceed and achieve their
goal, development with those.
This mantra is important in sociological context asexplained by the author By
M. Ram Murty in his book Indian Philosophy: AnIntroduction. He is explaining
the context as follows
Another celebrated hymn occurs in the first book: AnoBhadra Kratavo yantu
visvatah (Let noble thoughts come from all directions)(Rig Veda 1.89.1 ). This
verse emphasises the complementarity of humanknowledge. It highlights the need
to learn from all the directions becauseknowledge is not the monopoly of any
single individual or nation or race . Thepursuit and expansion of knowledge in
the widest sense of the word is acollective human endeavour.
So in summary this mantra crosses all the boundaries ofreligion and appreciates
and accepts good /auspicious/ and dharmik ideas andworks, which are beneficial
for society from other parts of the world/universe.This is also a symbolism of
tolerant religion, which do not hate, ban thoughts,thought processes, rituals,
customs, and beliefs from other cultures as well.Because Vedic Dharma is
Sanatana and the core teaching of Vedic religion isSarvam Khalvidam Brahma. So
respecting all the good works from all directionsi.e. religions present in
other parts from all the directions.
Xxxxxxxxxxxx
AND SUBRAMANYA BHARATHO REVERBERATED IN 1939:
வெள்ளி பனிமலையின் மீதுலாவுவோம்
அடி மேலை கடல் முழுதும் கப்பல் விடுவோம்
வெள்ளி பனிமலையின் மீதுலாவுவோம்
அடி மேலை கடல் முழுதும் கப்பல் விடுவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
வெள்ளி பனிமலையின் மீதுலாவுவோம்
அடி மேலை கடல் முழுதும் கப்பல் விடுவோம்
முத்து குளிப்பதொரு தென்கடலிலே
முத்து குளிப்பதொரு தென்கடலிலே
மொய்த்து வணிகர் பல நாட்டினர் வந்தே
முத்து குளிப்பதொரு தென்கடலிலே
மொய்த்து வணிகர் பல நாட்டினர் வந்தே
நாட்டி நமக்கினிய பொருள் கொணர்ந்தே
நாட்டி நமக்கினிய பொருள் கொணர்ந்தே
நம்மருள் வேண்டுவதும் மேர்கரையிலே
முத்து குளிப்பதொரு தென்கடலிலே
வெள்ளி பனிமலையின் மீதுலாவுவோம்
அடி மேலை கடல் முழுதும் கப்பல் விடுவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
ஆயுதம் செய்வோம் நல்ல காகிதம் செய்வோம்
ஆயுதம் செய்வோம் நல்ல காகிதம் செய்வோம்
ஆலைகள் வைப்போம் கல்வி சாலைகள் வைப்போம்
ஆலைகள் வைப்போம் கல்வி சாலைகள் வைப்போம்
ஓயுதல் செய்யோம் தலை சாயுதல் செய்யோம்
ஓயுதல் செய்யோம் தலை சாயுதல் செய்யோம்
உண்மைகள் சொல்வோம் பல வண்மைகள் செய்வோம்
உண்மைகள் சொல்வோம் பல வண்மைகள் செய்வோம்
வெள்ளி பனிமலையின் மீதுலாவுவோம்
அடி மேலை கடல் முழுதும் கப்பல் விடுவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
பள்ளி தளம் அனைத்தும் கோவில் செய்குவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
எங்கள் பாரத தேசம் என்று தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
நாங்கள் தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
நாங்கள் தோள் கொட்டுவோம்
Vĕḽḽi paṉimalaiyiṉ mīdulāvuvom
aḍi melai kaḍal muḻudum kappal viḍuvom
vĕḽḽi paṉimalaiyiṉ mīdulāvuvom
aḍi melai kaḍal muḻudum kappal viḍuvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
vĕḽḽi paṉimalaiyiṉ mīdulāvuvom
aḍi melai kaḍal muḻudum kappal viḍuvom
Muttu kuḽippadŏru tĕṉkaḍalile
muttu kuḽippadŏru tĕṉkaḍalile
mŏyttu vaṇigar pala nāṭṭiṉar vande
muttu kuḽippadŏru tĕṉkaḍalile
mŏyttu vaṇigar pala nāṭṭiṉar vande
nāṭṭi namakkiṉiya pŏruḽ kŏṇarnde
nāṭṭi namakkiṉiya pŏruḽ kŏṇarnde
nammaruḽ veṇḍuvadum mergaraiyile
muttu kuḽippadŏru tĕṉkaḍalile
Vĕḽḽi paṉimalaiyiṉ mīdulāvuvom
aḍi melai kaḍal muḻudum kappal viḍuvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
Āyudam sĕyvom nalla kāgidam sĕyvom
āyudam sĕyvom nalla kāgidam sĕyvom
ālaigaḽ vaippom kalvi sālaigaḽ vaippom
ālaigaḽ vaippom kalvi sālaigaḽ vaippom
oyudal sĕyyom talai sāyudal sĕyyom
oyudal sĕyyom talai sāyudal sĕyyom
uṇmaigaḽ sŏlvom pala vaṇmaigaḽ sĕyvom
uṇmaigaḽ sŏlvom pala vaṇmaigaḽ sĕyvom
Vĕḽḽi paṉimalaiyiṉ mīdulāvuvom
aḍi melai kaḍal muḻudum kappal viḍuvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
paḽḽi taḽam aṉaittum kovil sĕyguvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
ĕṅgaḽ pārada tesam ĕṇḍru toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
nāṅgaḽ toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
nāṅgaḽ toḽ kŏṭṭuvom
Subramanya Bharathi evokes the rights of the Bhartathamand its culture, seeking
knowledge and wealth from all over in 1939 before evengetting the freedom for
India from the British; and today we are really free tobe called the
Bharatiyan.
He says lets walk on the Himalayas; lets send ships all over the westernseas to
get the wealth from there to Bharatha Desam. Let us make the educational
institutions as atemple of worship; lets boast as BHARTHA DESAM.
Let us get the trade expand all over the west and bringthose treasures into the
Bharatha desam. We obtain Pearls from the sea from thesouth and trade over the
west. Let us make war tools; make paper industry; letus speak the truth boldly;
let us start as many industries as possible and bringin the educational
institutions; and never we shall rest till all these areachieved. Let us hail
Bharatha Desam.
And Rig vedam said it 10000 years backas:
आ। नः । भद्राः । क्रतवः । यन्तु । विश्वतः । अदब्धासः । अपरिइतासः । उत्भिदः ।
देवाः । नः । यथा । सदम् । इत्। वृधे । असन् । अप्रआयुवः । रक्षितारः । दिवेदिवे ॥
ā | naḥ |bhadrāḥ | kratavaḥ | yantu | viśvataḥ |adabdhāsaḥ | apari-itāsaḥ |
ut-bhidaḥ | devāḥ | naḥ | yathā | sadam | it | vṛdhe| asan | apra-āyuvaḥ |
rakṣitāraḥ | dive—dive
“May auspicious works, unmolested, unimpeded, andsubversive (of foes), come to
us from every quarter; may the gods, turning notaway from us, but granting us
protection day by day, be ever with us for ouradvancement.”
K Rajartam IRS 6 9 23
On Wed, 6 Sept 2023 at 08:05, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
aano bhadraaha krathanoyanthu vishvatho adabdhaaso apareethaasa udbhidaha
ldevaano yathaa sadamidvyadhe asannapraayuve rakshithaaro dive dive
ldevaanaam bhadraa sumabhiryajooyathaam devaanaarabhinoni varthathaam
ldevaanaam sakhyamupaabhimaa vayam devaana aayuhupra thiranthu jeevase lthaan
poorvayaa nivibhaahoomahe vayam bhagam mithramadithim bhakshamasridham
laryamanam varunam somamashvinaa sarasvathee naha subhagaa mayaskarathi ll(RV
Cap VI sooktham 89 vargam 15)
meaning --
Let the (power of the) deathless eternal and super-powerful fire-sacrifices
which chase away far (our) enemies approach from all directions and reach us.
Let the celestials who desire the welfare of all beings come and join us. Let
their blessings come and pour like rain on us. Through their blessings let us
obtain their friendship and their nearness, and long life for us.
We are chanting the sacred verses that call the celestials to come and which
confer permanent existence on them. We are inviting bagan, mithran, adithi,
hiranyagarbha, the community of marut winds, adithya, varuna, soma, and the
ashvin twins.
Let goddess sarasvathi who pours the rain of well-being on everyone present us
with wealth.
My comments. I have heard and read comments from eminent scholars saying that
this veda-vaakyam only asks that noble thoughts should come to us from all
directions.
Far from contradicting them, I should perhaps humbly point out that the r'g
vedam invites all named celestials, plus the Goddess Sarasvathi, to attend on
those dutifully performing the fire-sacrifice and bless them with showers of
blessings like plentiful rain which sustains the growth of foodgrains and
confers other boons such as filling ponds and lakes withfresh water, enables
sacred rivers ro flow, and the oceans to remain to enrich the Earth on which we
live.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
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