👍👍👍🌷KR IRS 30923 On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 12:38, Rama <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sirs, > We were in Jakarta for 28 years plus. Our maids were muslim girls and > drivers too. They were extremely good people, courteous, very respectful > etc. Maids were fast learners trained by my wife ... really use to cook > very delicious South/North vegetarian food...may it be Sambhar, rasam, > Koottu, Aviyal, Olan, Kaalan, eriseri , dosai, vadai, idli etc. etc. you > name it they will make. They used to write down the procedure, process etc > and believe me not a pinch of salt extra or or grain of rice extra (in > quantity).....such a perfection. Very neat and clean, take bath 5 times in > a day... wear neat ironed clothes keeping the surroundings clean. When my > wife was away they would keep the puja room clean.....including drawing > basic Kolam (Rangoli). Only restrictions we had imposed ....not to cook > any non vege and they would not touch any idols. Let me also state even our > main temple here in JAKARTA where Lord Aiyappa was consecrated by none > other than Rajiv aru Thantri from Sabarimalai , the caretakers are muslim > families and they will follow our rituals in upkeep. What I want to > emphasise ...absolutely no aversions at all. Best life In Indonesia for > Hindus Brahmin families. > Cheers > Rama > > On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:27, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Me too sir; as far as the Brahmins are concerned, I had never seen >> (maybe rarely) Brahmins having caste-aversions; of course in deep south and >> a part of CBE, NBs showing aversions in 70-80s I had seen. My servant can >> walk across; my security can; we have no aversions. As in HQ I had seen a >> lot of SCs approaching me for obtaining some benefits, to speak to bosses. >> As a matter of fact even them did not show aversions to us. But as an >> advocate writing like this...... >> KR IRS 29 9 23 >> >> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:14, sivaraman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> In my 61 years that i spent in the govt state and central in various >>> capacities and in the international organisations as well as a DIR in the >>> private sector companies I never heard any talk on the caste of anybody. >>> Our cook here in Chennai is a dalit. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 29-Sep-2023, at 11:14 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>  >>> >>> *KR This article appeared yesterday in Google. I refuse to believe his >>> version; but can it be true even now? Or is electioneering strategy to get >>> sympathy from? KR IRS 29923* >>> >>> *Born Dalit: Always in and out* >>> >>> There is no real coming out in caste >>> >>> *Rajesh Chavda* <https://scroll.in/author/23412> >>> >>> On September 23, 1917, Bhimrao Ambedkar cried like a baby under a tree >>> in Vadodara. >>> >>> As the newly appointed military secretary of the Baroda state, Ambedkar >>> moved to the city of Vadodara. But nobody would rent him a house because he >>> was an “untouchable”. He eventually had to lie about his caste identity to >>> the owners of a Parsi inn to get a place to stay. But when it was >>> discovered that he was Dalit. he was attacked by his Parsi neighbours. >>> >>> Ambedkar – who had studied at New York’s Columbia University and the >>> London School of Economics – was forced to flee like a fugitive and spend a >>> night under a tree. >>> >>> He later recounted that he “wept bitterly. After all, I was deprived of >>> my precious possession – namely my shelter.” >>> >>> I grew up in a village just 40 kilometres away from Vadodara. My parents >>> still live there. >>> >>> How much has casteism changed since 1917? >>> >>> I now live in the UK, where I work as a corporate lawyer. I visited my >>> parents for two weeks in August. >>> >>> I have two brothers. They were not as lucky as I have been and were >>> unable to study beyond high school. Since they found it difficult to find >>> good jobs, I set up a photocopying business for them in 2004. >>> >>> But with the Covid lockdown of 2020, they had to shut their shops. When >>> they reopened in January this year, the income from the business was >>> insufficient to sustain both of them. We decided that this business would >>> be handled only by our elder brother and I would set up another business >>> for the younger one. >>> >>> After speaking with a few people to get ideas about potential gaps in >>> the market, we decided to set up a stationery shop in a neighbouring town. >>> I started looking for a shop to rent there. >>> >>> I found three shops. When I went to negotiate with the owners of the >>> first two shops, I did not want my caste identity to become a hurdle so >>> I told them I was a corporate lawyer in the UK and that I was going to >>> finance the business. Both quoted me an exorbitant amount of rent. >>> >>> When I went to see the third man, I changed my approach. I did not tell >>> him what I did for a living. >>> >>> That meant, however, that he did not have a basis on which to try to >>> form a bond of trust. So he immediately looked for another potential source >>> of familiarity: he asked me about my caste identity. >>> >>> I had to make a choice. If I told him my real caste identity, he would >>> not rent the shop to me. >>> >>> I chose the safer option. I told him I was Chavda, a name that is used >>> by members of both “pure” and “impure” castes. >>> >>> “Oh!” he said. “We are of the same caste! I have nothing to worry about.” >>> >>> I got the lease – only because I lied about my caste identity. >>> >>> This was not the first time I have had to do this. >>> >>> In 2015, when I moved from London to Delhi to join one of India’s top >>> law firms, I rented a flat in one of the city’s poshest parts of the city >>> so that we could be as close to my daughter’s school as possible. While in >>> a conversation about our neighbours with someone familiar with the >>> building, he suddenly warned, “Don’t be friends with the flat on the >>> second floor – they are from a scheduled caste.” >>> >>> Here was a person who lived in one of the city’s most affluent >>> neighbourhoods who thought a Dalit did not deserve the friendship of a >>> person from a privileged caste. I wondered if they would have rented me >>> a flat if they had known my caste identity. >>> >>> Although I was a partner with one of the country’s top Indian law firms, >>> I did not have the courage to reveal to him that I too was from a scheduled >>> caste. >>> >>> It always feels unnatural, unwarranted and imposed when I have to >>> identify myself as Dalit. Because caste identity is an artificial >>> construct. The caste system does not need to exist. >>> >>> However, growing up in an Indian village, there was no escape from my >>> imposed identity. Everyone in the village knew what caste I had been born >>> into. >>> >>> But when I was away, where people didn’t know me, I always lied when >>> they asked me about my caste. >>> >>> When I went to study at National Law School in Bangalore, there was >>> again no escape as I had received the benefit of reservations as a Dalit. I >>> assumed that everyone knew my caste identity because of the way our names >>> were listed in the register of students. >>> >>> Thus, until I was 22, I was mostly out as Dalit against my will. >>> >>> When I started working in Mumbai and later in London and Singapore, a >>> comforting cloak of anonymity descended. When people asked me about my >>> caste identity, I mostly lied – although I worried about being found out. >>> >>> On social media and in my articles, however, I have been open about my >>> caste identity. But this openness has often made me anxious. >>> >>> I continue to lie about my caste identity in situations where I foresee >>> a disadvantage in revealing that I was born Dalit. >>> >>> Thus, there is no real coming out in caste. >>> >>> It’s always in and out. >>> >>> I had a conversation about this recently with a friend who was born >>> Dalit. He is a very successful executive at a major global corporation and >>> works in Europe. >>> >>> He has changed his last name as he does not want people to know of his >>> caste position. >>> >>> When we discussed the dilemmas of revealing our caste identity, he asked >>> why we would willingly bring this curse of the Hindu order upon us. >>> >>> I am crying dry tears as I write this on September 23, 2023 – 106 years >>> after Ambedkar cried like a baby in Vadodara. >>> >>> *Rajesh Chavda is a corporate lawyer in the UK.* >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > *Ramaswamy* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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