The lawyer who wrote the article obviously has not seen or heard as to how the D K people entered the houses of brahmins and cut their sacred threads - I have seen at least one instance of the elderly persons screaming and cursing those who cut their sacred threads- in Thanjavur after Karunanidhi came to power - in the 70s. I was very young then and al of us, the brahmins, just shut our doors so they cannot enter our houses. Try doing this to any other caste and see how the community reacts.
Even today the anti brahmin feelings are whipped up although I have written to some u tube channels to tell us at least one instance where brahmins were involved in caste conflicts in T N in the last 50, 60 years. They have no guts to raise their voice against those who really are behind these conflicts but brahmins are easy prey. Only we will tolerate and in fact eagerly watch the t v serials where we are ridiculed - the way we speak, the way we dress etc. Let me also say, in interior villages in T N, caste discrimination is still there, albeit it is mostly practised by the so called other upper castes. In cities nobody knows what the neighbour's name is, forget his caste. Stories are abound as to how during the 2015 floods in Chennai people who went to the rooftops to escape the rain water fury and to get the food packets dropped from the helicopters, met their neighbours for the first time. Yes, in the interior villages of India caste is still a factor to be reckoned with, but not in the cities. Those who have mostly lived in the cities may not be aware of the situation in the villages but the good news is that these conflicts are on the decrease. N Sekar On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 2:25 PM Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > In my school days I was targeted for harassment because I belong to the > Brahmin caste by non brahmin students and classmates. > YM > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 1:32 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> 👍👍👍🌷KR IRS 30923 >> >> On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 12:38, Rama <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sirs, >>> We were in Jakarta for 28 years plus. Our maids were muslim girls and >>> drivers too. They were extremely good people, courteous, very respectful >>> etc. Maids were fast learners trained by my wife ... really use to cook >>> very delicious South/North vegetarian food...may it be Sambhar, rasam, >>> Koottu, Aviyal, Olan, Kaalan, eriseri , dosai, vadai, idli etc. etc. you >>> name it they will make. They used to write down the procedure, process etc >>> and believe me not a pinch of salt extra or or grain of rice extra (in >>> quantity).....such a perfection. Very neat and clean, take bath 5 times in >>> a day... wear neat ironed clothes keeping the surroundings clean. When my >>> wife was away they would keep the puja room clean.....including drawing >>> basic Kolam (Rangoli). Only restrictions we had imposed ....not to cook >>> any non vege and they would not touch any idols. Let me also state even our >>> main temple here in JAKARTA where Lord Aiyappa was consecrated by none >>> other than Rajiv aru Thantri from Sabarimalai , the caretakers are muslim >>> families and they will follow our rituals in upkeep. What I want to >>> emphasise ...absolutely no aversions at all. Best life In Indonesia for >>> Hindus Brahmin families. >>> Cheers >>> Rama >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:27, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Me too sir; as far as the Brahmins are concerned, I had never seen >>>> (maybe rarely) Brahmins having caste-aversions; of course in deep south and >>>> a part of CBE, NBs showing aversions in 70-80s I had seen. My servant can >>>> walk across; my security can; we have no aversions. As in HQ I had seen a >>>> lot of SCs approaching me for obtaining some benefits, to speak to bosses. >>>> As a matter of fact even them did not show aversions to us. But as an >>>> advocate writing like this...... >>>> KR IRS 29 9 23 >>>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:14, sivaraman <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In my 61 years that i spent in the govt state and central in various >>>>> capacities and in the international organisations as well as a DIR in the >>>>> private sector companies I never heard any talk on the caste of anybody. >>>>> Our cook here in Chennai is a dalit. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 29-Sep-2023, at 11:14 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *KR This article appeared yesterday in Google. I refuse to believe >>>>> his version; but can it be true even now? Or is electioneering strategy to >>>>> get sympathy from? KR IRS 29923* >>>>> >>>>> *Born Dalit: Always in and out* >>>>> >>>>> There is no real coming out in caste >>>>> >>>>> *Rajesh Chavda* <https://scroll.in/author/23412> >>>>> >>>>> On September 23, 1917, Bhimrao Ambedkar cried like a baby under a tree >>>>> in Vadodara. >>>>> >>>>> As the newly appointed military secretary of the Baroda state, >>>>> Ambedkar moved to the city of Vadodara. But nobody would rent him a house >>>>> because he was an “untouchable”. He eventually had to lie about his caste >>>>> identity to the owners of a Parsi inn to get a place to stay. But when it >>>>> was discovered that he was Dalit. he was attacked by his Parsi neighbours. >>>>> >>>>> Ambedkar – who had studied at New York’s Columbia University and the >>>>> London School of Economics – was forced to flee like a fugitive and spend >>>>> a >>>>> night under a tree. >>>>> >>>>> He later recounted that he “wept bitterly. After all, I was deprived >>>>> of my precious possession – namely my shelter.” >>>>> >>>>> I grew up in a village just 40 kilometres away from Vadodara. My >>>>> parents still live there. >>>>> >>>>> How much has casteism changed since 1917? >>>>> >>>>> I now live in the UK, where I work as a corporate lawyer. I visited my >>>>> parents for two weeks in August. >>>>> >>>>> I have two brothers. They were not as lucky as I have been and were >>>>> unable to study beyond high school. Since they found it difficult to find >>>>> good jobs, I set up a photocopying business for them in 2004. >>>>> >>>>> But with the Covid lockdown of 2020, they had to shut their shops. >>>>> When they reopened in January this year, the income from the business was >>>>> insufficient to sustain both of them. We decided that this business would >>>>> be handled only by our elder brother and I would set up another business >>>>> for the younger one. >>>>> >>>>> After speaking with a few people to get ideas about potential gaps in >>>>> the market, we decided to set up a stationery shop in a neighbouring town. >>>>> I started looking for a shop to rent there. >>>>> >>>>> I found three shops. When I went to negotiate with the owners of the >>>>> first two shops, I did not want my caste identity to become a hurdle >>>>> so I told them I was a corporate lawyer in the UK and that I was going to >>>>> finance the business. Both quoted me an exorbitant amount of rent. >>>>> >>>>> When I went to see the third man, I changed my approach. I did not >>>>> tell him what I did for a living. >>>>> >>>>> That meant, however, that he did not have a basis on which to try to >>>>> form a bond of trust. So he immediately looked for another potential >>>>> source >>>>> of familiarity: he asked me about my caste identity. >>>>> >>>>> I had to make a choice. If I told him my real caste identity, he would >>>>> not rent the shop to me. >>>>> >>>>> I chose the safer option. I told him I was Chavda, a name that is >>>>> used by members of both “pure” and “impure” castes. >>>>> >>>>> “Oh!” he said. “We are of the same caste! I have nothing to worry >>>>> about.” >>>>> >>>>> I got the lease – only because I lied about my caste identity. >>>>> >>>>> This was not the first time I have had to do this. >>>>> >>>>> In 2015, when I moved from London to Delhi to join one of India’s top >>>>> law firms, I rented a flat in one of the city’s poshest parts of the city >>>>> so that we could be as close to my daughter’s school as possible. While in >>>>> a conversation about our neighbours with someone familiar with the >>>>> building, he suddenly warned, “Don’t be friends with the flat on the >>>>> second floor – they are from a scheduled caste.” >>>>> >>>>> Here was a person who lived in one of the city’s most affluent >>>>> neighbourhoods who thought a Dalit did not deserve the friendship of >>>>> a person from a privileged caste. I wondered if they would have >>>>> rented me a flat if they had known my caste identity. >>>>> >>>>> Although I was a partner with one of the country’s top Indian law >>>>> firms, I did not have the courage to reveal to him that I too was from a >>>>> scheduled caste. >>>>> >>>>> It always feels unnatural, unwarranted and imposed when I have to >>>>> identify myself as Dalit. Because caste identity is an artificial >>>>> construct. The caste system does not need to exist. >>>>> >>>>> However, growing up in an Indian village, there was no escape from my >>>>> imposed identity. Everyone in the village knew what caste I had been born >>>>> into. >>>>> >>>>> But when I was away, where people didn’t know me, I always lied when >>>>> they asked me about my caste. >>>>> >>>>> When I went to study at National Law School in Bangalore, there was >>>>> again no escape as I had received the benefit of reservations as a Dalit. >>>>> I >>>>> assumed that everyone knew my caste identity because of the way our names >>>>> were listed in the register of students. >>>>> >>>>> Thus, until I was 22, I was mostly out as Dalit against my will. >>>>> >>>>> When I started working in Mumbai and later in London and Singapore, a >>>>> comforting cloak of anonymity descended. When people asked me about my >>>>> caste identity, I mostly lied – although I worried about being found out. >>>>> >>>>> On social media and in my articles, however, I have been open about my >>>>> caste identity. But this openness has often made me anxious. >>>>> >>>>> I continue to lie about my caste identity in situations where I >>>>> foresee a disadvantage in revealing that I was born Dalit. >>>>> >>>>> Thus, there is no real coming out in caste. >>>>> >>>>> It’s always in and out. >>>>> >>>>> I had a conversation about this recently with a friend who was born >>>>> Dalit. He is a very successful executive at a major global corporation and >>>>> works in Europe. >>>>> >>>>> He has changed his last name as he does not want people to know of his >>>>> caste position. >>>>> >>>>> When we discussed the dilemmas of revealing our caste identity, he >>>>> asked why we would willingly bring this curse of the Hindu order upon us. >>>>> >>>>> I am crying dry tears as I write this on September 23, 2023 – 106 >>>>> years after Ambedkar cried like a baby in Vadodara. >>>>> >>>>> *Rajesh Chavda is a corporate lawyer in the UK.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> On Facebook, please join >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>>> >>>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>>> >>>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>>> >>>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : >>>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>>> >>>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> On Facebook, please join >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>>> >>>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>>> >>>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>>> >>>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : >>>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>>> >>>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Ramaswamy* >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Thatha_Patty" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCK8en0_P%2BY3bYz%3D8qgTx53%3D%3DVh5kiJhrkQHBm%3D39062Gw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCK8en0_P%2BY3bYz%3D8qgTx53%3D%3DVh5kiJhrkQHBm%3D39062Gw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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