In my school days I was targeted for harassment because I belong to the Brahmin caste by non brahmin students and classmates. YM
On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 1:32 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > 👍👍👍🌷KR IRS 30923 > > On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 12:38, Rama <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sirs, >> We were in Jakarta for 28 years plus. Our maids were muslim girls and >> drivers too. They were extremely good people, courteous, very respectful >> etc. Maids were fast learners trained by my wife ... really use to cook >> very delicious South/North vegetarian food...may it be Sambhar, rasam, >> Koottu, Aviyal, Olan, Kaalan, eriseri , dosai, vadai, idli etc. etc. you >> name it they will make. They used to write down the procedure, process etc >> and believe me not a pinch of salt extra or or grain of rice extra (in >> quantity).....such a perfection. Very neat and clean, take bath 5 times in >> a day... wear neat ironed clothes keeping the surroundings clean. When my >> wife was away they would keep the puja room clean.....including drawing >> basic Kolam (Rangoli). Only restrictions we had imposed ....not to cook >> any non vege and they would not touch any idols. Let me also state even our >> main temple here in JAKARTA where Lord Aiyappa was consecrated by none >> other than Rajiv aru Thantri from Sabarimalai , the caretakers are muslim >> families and they will follow our rituals in upkeep. What I want to >> emphasise ...absolutely no aversions at all. Best life In Indonesia for >> Hindus Brahmin families. >> Cheers >> Rama >> >> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:27, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Me too sir; as far as the Brahmins are concerned, I had never seen >>> (maybe rarely) Brahmins having caste-aversions; of course in deep south and >>> a part of CBE, NBs showing aversions in 70-80s I had seen. My servant can >>> walk across; my security can; we have no aversions. As in HQ I had seen a >>> lot of SCs approaching me for obtaining some benefits, to speak to bosses. >>> As a matter of fact even them did not show aversions to us. But as an >>> advocate writing like this...... >>> KR IRS 29 9 23 >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:14, sivaraman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In my 61 years that i spent in the govt state and central in various >>>> capacities and in the international organisations as well as a DIR in the >>>> private sector companies I never heard any talk on the caste of anybody. >>>> Our cook here in Chennai is a dalit. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 29-Sep-2023, at 11:14 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *KR This article appeared yesterday in Google. I refuse to believe >>>> his version; but can it be true even now? Or is electioneering strategy to >>>> get sympathy from? KR IRS 29923* >>>> >>>> *Born Dalit: Always in and out* >>>> >>>> There is no real coming out in caste >>>> >>>> *Rajesh Chavda* <https://scroll.in/author/23412> >>>> >>>> On September 23, 1917, Bhimrao Ambedkar cried like a baby under a tree >>>> in Vadodara. >>>> >>>> As the newly appointed military secretary of the Baroda state, Ambedkar >>>> moved to the city of Vadodara. But nobody would rent him a house because he >>>> was an “untouchable”. He eventually had to lie about his caste identity to >>>> the owners of a Parsi inn to get a place to stay. But when it was >>>> discovered that he was Dalit. he was attacked by his Parsi neighbours. >>>> >>>> Ambedkar – who had studied at New York’s Columbia University and the >>>> London School of Economics – was forced to flee like a fugitive and spend a >>>> night under a tree. >>>> >>>> He later recounted that he “wept bitterly. After all, I was deprived of >>>> my precious possession – namely my shelter.” >>>> >>>> I grew up in a village just 40 kilometres away from Vadodara. My >>>> parents still live there. >>>> >>>> How much has casteism changed since 1917? >>>> >>>> I now live in the UK, where I work as a corporate lawyer. I visited my >>>> parents for two weeks in August. >>>> >>>> I have two brothers. They were not as lucky as I have been and were >>>> unable to study beyond high school. Since they found it difficult to find >>>> good jobs, I set up a photocopying business for them in 2004. >>>> >>>> But with the Covid lockdown of 2020, they had to shut their shops. When >>>> they reopened in January this year, the income from the business was >>>> insufficient to sustain both of them. We decided that this business would >>>> be handled only by our elder brother and I would set up another business >>>> for the younger one. >>>> >>>> After speaking with a few people to get ideas about potential gaps in >>>> the market, we decided to set up a stationery shop in a neighbouring town. >>>> I started looking for a shop to rent there. >>>> >>>> I found three shops. When I went to negotiate with the owners of the >>>> first two shops, I did not want my caste identity to become a hurdle >>>> so I told them I was a corporate lawyer in the UK and that I was going to >>>> finance the business. Both quoted me an exorbitant amount of rent. >>>> >>>> When I went to see the third man, I changed my approach. I did not tell >>>> him what I did for a living. >>>> >>>> That meant, however, that he did not have a basis on which to try to >>>> form a bond of trust. So he immediately looked for another potential source >>>> of familiarity: he asked me about my caste identity. >>>> >>>> I had to make a choice. If I told him my real caste identity, he would >>>> not rent the shop to me. >>>> >>>> I chose the safer option. I told him I was Chavda, a name that is used >>>> by members of both “pure” and “impure” castes. >>>> >>>> “Oh!” he said. “We are of the same caste! I have nothing to worry >>>> about.” >>>> >>>> I got the lease – only because I lied about my caste identity. >>>> >>>> This was not the first time I have had to do this. >>>> >>>> In 2015, when I moved from London to Delhi to join one of India’s top >>>> law firms, I rented a flat in one of the city’s poshest parts of the city >>>> so that we could be as close to my daughter’s school as possible. While in >>>> a conversation about our neighbours with someone familiar with the >>>> building, he suddenly warned, “Don’t be friends with the flat on the >>>> second floor – they are from a scheduled caste.” >>>> >>>> Here was a person who lived in one of the city’s most affluent >>>> neighbourhoods who thought a Dalit did not deserve the friendship of a >>>> person from a privileged caste. I wondered if they would have rented >>>> me a flat if they had known my caste identity. >>>> >>>> Although I was a partner with one of the country’s top Indian law >>>> firms, I did not have the courage to reveal to him that I too was from a >>>> scheduled caste. >>>> >>>> It always feels unnatural, unwarranted and imposed when I have to >>>> identify myself as Dalit. Because caste identity is an artificial >>>> construct. The caste system does not need to exist. >>>> >>>> However, growing up in an Indian village, there was no escape from my >>>> imposed identity. Everyone in the village knew what caste I had been born >>>> into. >>>> >>>> But when I was away, where people didn’t know me, I always lied when >>>> they asked me about my caste. >>>> >>>> When I went to study at National Law School in Bangalore, there was >>>> again no escape as I had received the benefit of reservations as a Dalit. I >>>> assumed that everyone knew my caste identity because of the way our names >>>> were listed in the register of students. >>>> >>>> Thus, until I was 22, I was mostly out as Dalit against my will. >>>> >>>> When I started working in Mumbai and later in London and Singapore, a >>>> comforting cloak of anonymity descended. When people asked me about my >>>> caste identity, I mostly lied – although I worried about being found out. >>>> >>>> On social media and in my articles, however, I have been open about my >>>> caste identity. But this openness has often made me anxious. >>>> >>>> I continue to lie about my caste identity in situations where I foresee >>>> a disadvantage in revealing that I was born Dalit. >>>> >>>> Thus, there is no real coming out in caste. >>>> >>>> It’s always in and out. >>>> >>>> I had a conversation about this recently with a friend who was born >>>> Dalit. He is a very successful executive at a major global corporation and >>>> works in Europe. >>>> >>>> He has changed his last name as he does not want people to know of his >>>> caste position. >>>> >>>> When we discussed the dilemmas of revealing our caste identity, he >>>> asked why we would willingly bring this curse of the Hindu order upon us. >>>> >>>> I am crying dry tears as I write this on September 23, 2023 – 106 years >>>> after Ambedkar cried like a baby in Vadodara. >>>> >>>> *Rajesh Chavda is a corporate lawyer in the UK.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> On Facebook, please join >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>> >>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>> >>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZooLiwHCLky%2BQPQY9uutN-A8J8NGe12zWKfv99tBQtQ%3DVQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> On Facebook, please join >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>> >>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>> >>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/8B9DCC6B-CA6C-47C0-AECA-2CA8740BF434%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> *Ramaswamy* >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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