To whomsoever it may concern including LXN and G Where does the malais lie? KR IRS 2 10 23
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 12:22 Subject: Re: [iyer123] Fwd: [KeralaIyers] can it be true To: iyer <[email protected]> Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Dear folks The madman continues to utter and mutter mad things in his usual broken sewer-gutter English. His senility, insanity, and cerebral impotence is fast catching up with him. *It itches him badly everywhere, but he not scratch, being paralysed through inherited syphilis from his you-know-who..* S Narayanaswamy Iyer On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 2:15 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > An aged supposed to be propagated as learned, cannot even know the > difference between satyam and another; opoor man; let him lie like that. > KR IRS 2 10 23 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 07:00 > Subject: Re: [iyer123] Fwd: [KeralaIyers] can it be true > To: iyer <[email protected]> > Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > > > Dear folks > > Totally blind intellectually, and a slave to meaningless and misleading > statistics -- we have heard of lies, greater lies, and statistics -- > highly prejudiced maverick K Rajaram ex-IRS 11023 is unable to face the > glaring sathyam that, as I wrote:- > > *"An Indian version of apartheid against braahmanas exists openly in my > country of birth."* > > A further truth is that it is the political elite, NOT THE PEOPLE as the > named-above maverick alleges, that instituted, and perpetuates this "*Indian > version of apartheid*". > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 11:38 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The authentic stat where all over in India, it is mixed where , politics >> is the villain and nort the people as cound be seen below: K RAJARAM IRS >> 11023 >> [image: image.png]COL 1 IS YES THERE IS FREEDOM; COL 2 IS no, ALMOST >> EQUAL PERCENTAGE. >> >> Less than 5% of India’s population lives in the eight isolated states of >> the country’s Northeastern region. This region broadly lags behind >> <https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/65407/8/MPRA_paper_65407.pdf> the >> country in economic development indicators. And this small segment of the >> population has a linguistic and religious makeup that differs drastically >> from the rest of the country. >> >> According to the 2011 census of India, Hindus are still the majority >> religious group (58%), but they are less prevalent in the Northeast than >> elsewhere (81% nationally). The smaller proportion of Hindus there is >> offset by the highest shares of Christians (16% vs. 2% nationally) and >> Muslims (22% vs. 13% nationally) in any region. And based on the survey, >> the region also has a higher share of Scheduled Tribes than any other >> region in the country (25% vs. 9% nationally), and half of Scheduled Tribe >> members in the Northeast are Christians. >> [image: image.png]Samples state the status of communal violences in >> India only because of politics and not from people. >> Hence, Venkata Giri observation can be taken as correct as far as the >> people are concerned, who walk with pride in India everywhere; but the >> I.N.D.I.A to a greater extent, and a few among the BJP , tear the nation to >> gain their vested interests. Hence I attribute foolishness, on the part of >> the people only who do not, to refusing to heed to the dividers. >> K Rajaram IRS 11023 >> >> >> >> On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 21:07, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Strange, then why the caste conflicts arise in U P? S P, BSP are all >>> for equality? >>> >>> Discrimination has even reached Seattle - see their city council >>> resolution passed recently, veiled references to brahmins. >>> >>> See my other mail sent just now. >>> >>> N Sekar >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 8:39 PM, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> This discrimination/atrocitY >>> is not all there in the NORTH . >>> That is the reason why intellectualshave migrated. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>> >>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 at 5:10 pm, Narayanaswamy Sekar >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The lawyer who wrote the article obviously has not seen or heard as to >>> how the D K people entered the houses of brahmins and cut their sacred >>> threads - I have seen at least one instance of >>> the elderly persons screaming and cursing those who cut their sacred >>> threads- >>> in Thanjavur after Karunanidhi came to power - in the 70s. I was very >>> young then and al of us, the brahmins, just shut our doors so they cannot >>> enter our houses. Try doing this to any other caste and see how the >>> community reacts. >>> >>> Even today the anti brahmin feelings are whipped up although I have >>> written to some u tube channels to tell us at least one instance where >>> brahmins were involved in caste conflicts in T N in the last 50, 60 years. >>> They have no guts to raise their voice against those who really are behind >>> these conflicts but brahmins are easy prey. >>> >>> Only we will tolerate and in fact eagerly watch the t v serials where we >>> are ridiculed - the way we speak, the way we dress etc. >>> >>> Let me also say, in interior villages in T N, caste discrimination is >>> still there, albeit it is mostly practised by the so called other upper >>> castes. >>> >>> In cities nobody knows what the neighbour's name is, forget his caste. >>> >>> Stories are abound as to how during the 2015 floods in Chennai people >>> who went to the rooftops to escape the rain water fury and to get the food >>> packets dropped from the helicopters, met their neighbours for the first >>> time. >>> >>> Yes, in the interior villages of India caste is still a factor to be >>> reckoned with, but not in the cities. >>> >>> Those who have mostly lived in the cities may not be aware of the >>> situation in the villages but the good news is that these conflicts are on >>> the decrease. >>> >>> N Sekar >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023, 2:25 PM Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> In my school days I was targeted for harassment because I belong to the >>> Brahmin caste by non brahmin students and classmates. >>> YM >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 1:32 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> 👍👍👍🌷KR IRS 30923 >>> >>> On Sat, 30 Sept 2023 at 12:38, Rama <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Sirs, >>> We were in Jakarta for 28 years plus. Our maids were muslim girls and >>> drivers too. They were extremely good people, courteous, very respectful >>> etc. Maids were fast learners trained by my wife ... really use to cook >>> very delicious South/North vegetarian food...may it be Sambhar, rasam, >>> Koottu, Aviyal, Olan, Kaalan, eriseri , dosai, vadai, idli etc. etc. you >>> name it they will make. They used to write down the procedure, process etc >>> and believe me not a pinch of salt extra or or grain of rice extra (in >>> quantity).....such a perfection. Very neat and clean, take bath 5 times in >>> a day... wear neat ironed clothes keeping the surroundings clean. When my >>> wife was away they would keep the puja room clean.....including drawing >>> basic Kolam (Rangoli). Only restrictions we had imposed ....not to cook >>> any non vege and they would not touch any idols. Let me also state even our >>> main temple here in JAKARTA where Lord Aiyappa was consecrated by none >>> other than Rajiv aru Thantri from Sabarimalai , the caretakers are muslim >>> families and they will follow our rituals in upkeep. What I want to >>> emphasise ...absolutely no aversions at all. Best life In Indonesia for >>> Hindus Brahmin families. >>> Cheers >>> Rama >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:27, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Me too sir; as far as the Brahmins are concerned, I had never seen >>> (maybe rarely) Brahmins having caste-aversions; of course in deep south and >>> a part of CBE, NBs showing aversions in 70-80s I had seen. My servant can >>> walk across; my security can; we have no aversions. As in HQ I had seen a >>> lot of SCs approaching me for obtaining some benefits, to speak to bosses. >>> As a matter of fact even them did not show aversions to us. But as an >>> advocate writing like this...... >>> KR IRS 29 9 23 >>> >>> On Fri, 29 Sept 2023 at 13:14, sivaraman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> In my 61 years that i spent in the govt state and central in various >>> capacities and in the international organisations as well as a DIR in the >>> private sector companies I never heard any talk on the caste of anybody. >>> Our cook here in Chennai is a dalit. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 29-Sep-2023, at 11:14 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> *KR This article appeared yesterday in Google. I refuse to believe his >>> version; but can it be true even now? Or is electioneering strategy to get >>> sympathy from? KR IRS 29923* >>> >>> *Born Dalit: Always in and out* >>> >>> There is no real coming out in caste >>> >>> *Rajesh Chavda* <https://scroll.in/author/23412> >>> >>> On September 23, 1917, Bhimrao Ambedkar cried like a baby under a tree >>> in Vadodara. >>> >>> As the newly appointed military secretary of the Baroda state, Ambedkar >>> moved to the city of Vadodara. But nobody would rent him a house because he >>> was an “untouchable”. He eventually had to lie about his caste identity to >>> the owners of a Parsi inn to get a place to stay. But when it was >>> discovered that he was Dalit. he was attacked by his Parsi neighbours. >>> >>> Ambedkar – who had studied at New York’s Columbia University and the >>> London School of Economics – was forced to flee like a fugitive and spend a >>> night under a tree. >>> >>> He later recounted that he “wept bitterly. After all, I was deprived of >>> my precious possession – namely my shelter.” >>> >>> I grew up in a village just 40 kilometres away from Vadodara. My parents >>> still live there. >>> >>> How much has casteism changed since 1917? >>> >>> I now live in the UK, where I work as a corporate lawyer. I visited my >>> parents for two weeks in August. >>> >>> I have two brothers. They were not as lucky as I have been and were >>> unable to study beyond high school. Since they found it difficult to find >>> good jobs, I set up a photocopying business for them in 2004. >>> >>> But with the Covid lockdown of 2020, they had to shut their shops. When >>> they reopened in January this year, the income from the business was >>> insufficient to sustain both of them. We decided that this business would >>> be handled only by our elder brother and I would set up another business >>> for the younger one. >>> >>> After speaking with a few people to get ideas about potential gaps in >>> the market, we decided to set up a stationery shop in a neighbouring town. >>> I started looking for a shop to rent there. >>> >>> I found three shops. When I went to negotiate with the owners of the >>> first two shops, I did not want my caste identity to become a hurdle so >>> I told them I was a corporate lawyer in the UK and that I was going to >>> finance the business. Both quoted me an exorbitant amount of rent. >>> >>> When I went to see the third man, I changed my approach. I did not tell >>> him what I did for a living. >>> >>> That meant, however, that he did not have a basis on which to try to >>> form a bond of trust. So he immediately looked for another potential source >>> of familiarity: he asked me about my caste identity. >>> >>> I had to make a choice. If I told him my real caste identity, he would >>> not rent the shop to me. >>> >>> I chose the safer option. I told him I was Chavda, a name that is used >>> by members of both “pure” and “impure” castes. >>> >>> “Oh!” he said. “We are of the same caste! I have nothing to worry about.” >>> >>> I got the lease – only because I lied about my caste identity. >>> >>> This was not the first time I have had to do this. >>> >>> In 2015, when I moved from London to Delhi to join one of India’s top >>> law firms, I rented a flat in one of the city’s poshest parts of the city >>> so that we could be as close to my daughter’s school as possible. While in >>> a conversation about our neighbours with someone familiar with the >>> building, he suddenly warned, “Don’t be friends with the flat on the >>> second floor – they are from a scheduled caste.” >>> >>> Here was a person who lived in one of the city’s most affluent >>> neighbourhoods who thought a Dalit did not deserve the friendship of a >>> person from a privileged caste. I wondered if they would have rented me >>> a flat if they had known my caste identity. >>> >>> Although I was a partner with one of the country’s top Indian law firms, >>> I did not have the courage to reveal to him that I too was from a scheduled >>> caste. >>> >>> It always feels unnatural, unwarranted and imposed when I have to >>> identify myself as Dalit. Because caste identity is an artificial >>> construct. The caste system does not need to exist. >>> >>> However, growing up in an Indian village, there was no escape from my >>> imposed identity. Everyone in the village knew what caste I had been born >>> into. >>> >>> But when I was away, where people didn’t know me, I always lied when >>> they asked me about my caste. >>> >>> When I went to study at National Law School in Bangalore, there was >>> again no escape as I had received the benefit of reservations as a Dalit. I >>> assumed that everyone knew my caste identity because of the way our names >>> were listed in the register of students. >>> >>> Thus, until I was 22, I was mostly out as Dalit against my will. >>> >>> When I started working in Mumbai and later in London and Singapore, a >>> comforting cloak of anonymity descended. When people asked me about my >>> caste identity, I mostly lied – although I worried about being found out. >>> >>> On social media and in my articles, however, I have been open about my >>> caste identity. But this openness has often made me anxious. >>> >>> I continue to lie about my caste identity in situations where I foresee >>> a disadvantage in revealing that I was born Dalit. >>> >>> Thus, there is no real coming out in caste. >>> >>> It’s always in and out. >>> >>> I had a conversation about this recently with a friend who was born >>> Dalit. He is a very successful executive at a major global corporation and >>> works in Europe. >>> >>> He has changed his last name as he does not want people to know of his >>> caste position. >>> >>> When we discussed the dilemmas of revealing our caste identity, he asked >>> why we would willingly bring this curse of the Hindu order upon us. >>> >>> I am crying dry tears as I write this on September 23, 2023 – 106 years >>> after Ambedkar cried like a baby in Vadodara. >>> >>> *Rajesh Chavda is a corporate lawyer in the UK.* >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the 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