Respected Mr Sarma,
Thank you for your most polite reply. I have seen very few like you from Army
writing such a calm and composed response. Your factual last sentence and
competing line, which are the true facts I like to copy and paste here.
"So let's not promote any one individual claiming he's exceptional, implying
thereby that the rest of us belong to an inferior species."
"Let's hope that this verbal feud will end now and things revert to normalcy"
On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 07:40:50 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]> wrote:
Gentlemen
It's great that a few of our learned members have finally chosen to speak up.
While i believe that this intervention will stem the barrage of the almost
perennial Saraswati Vilasam ( of which, i confess, i am also guilty) witnessed
in this Forum since months, let me hasten to add, that Shri Gopalakrishnan and
I were compelled to step in to stem the flood
Both Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji and I were gentle, politely persuadive and
respectful in the beginning but miserably failed under a torrent of vile
abuses, profuse obscenities in Tamil. I will not name the person whom i am
referring to.
In true Gandhian spirit we turned the other cheek. But our efforts bore no
fruit.
And, honestly speaking, every member was a mute spectator?
So , as they say in Hindi ईंट का जवाब पत्थर से, we had to respond in like coin.
Shri Gopalkrishnan-ji used milder language. But not i.
Rooting for one participant in particular is not kosher. Each one of is well
read, knowledgable, we all possess multiple language skills , some are
linguists, and a few are polyglots. So let's not promote any one individual
claiming he's exceptional, implying thereby that the rest of us belong to an
inferior species.
Let's hope that this verbal feud will end now and things revert to normalcy
On Tue, 26 Dec, 2023, 7:06 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123,
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you Mr SekarGopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 06:29:47 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Sekar
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Sri G K.
Let us hope at least hereafter we will have decent exchanges befitting a group
consisting largely of senior citizens who are educated and have held senior
positions.
May be because I lost my mother soon after I started earning ( could not do
much when she was alive, most of it went to meet her medical costs) I feel
immense pain and anguish when any other mother is insulted. I see no reason why
one's mother needs to be dragged into what is essentially an ego fight between
any two members.
When we say Mata, Pita, Guru , Deivam and mean it, we cannot disparage any
mother.
If we have to disagree , let us do it in an agreeable manner.
As the saying goes
" We can disagree without being disagreeable".
I will stop with this on this topic.
N Sekar
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:27 PM, Yeddanapudi
Markandeyulu<[email protected]> wrote: I am not a genius.But I have to
be satisfied with my capacity.Using it I write my own perceptions.Rarely I get
response,I usually get response from Sri Rajaram.But none even appear to
notice.Today I wrote my own idea about the 'Role of Theism'.No response from
anyone.Afterall one could have responded to it with one's own learning,about
which there must be great perceptions in many.But this unpleasant war
continues.I of course do not read most.Strange,own perceptions die everyday
without response,but still I start my morning with a fresh morning write
up,eagerly waiting for the continuation and expansion of the thought a futile
earning.YM
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:10 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sekar,
As a group member, not able to tolerate any more the exchanges between members
Mr Rajaram, Sri Nrayanaswamy, Mr LN Sharma and myself,
Your observations are 95% correct.I agree."NOBODY involved in the exchanges
comes out smelling roses"."Also let not anyone claim that he is innocent, he IS
not".
I put it at 95% because my involvement is limited to language correction and
oppose to allegations. I swear I have not used any abusing words at any member
in any language. I am ready to take excuse if any member point out that I have
used abusing words in any language
Gopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 02:19:02 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Sekar
<[email protected]> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Envious nature
To: <[email protected]>, Rama <[email protected]>, Rangarajan T.N.C.
<[email protected]>, Chittanandam V. R. <[email protected]>,
Mathangi K. Kumar <[email protected]>, Kerala Iyer
<[email protected]>
Thanks.
I have written earlier also but did not want to harp on that point again and
again lest I would become the target.
I hope to be understood in the spirit in which this is written and hope not to
be subjected to any verbal onslaught - erudite, scholarly or otherwise - in
whatever language.
My earlier request still stands which I repeat now:
If at all you have to use toxic words, IF AT ALL, pl go ahead BUT please stop,
please, please for Heaven's sake, STOP targeting someone's mother - she is not
responsible for any real, imagined, perceived mistake , error or indecent or
improper behaviour of any contributor.
So is calling someone " Bastard". Let us remember we all have our mothers
before we write anything abusive about any other woman, especially when that
person is not a party to these disgusting, deplorable, detestable and downright
condemnable exchanges.
Our religion teaches us to look to any woman, other than our wives, as our
mother and let us remember that before we abuse any mother. While doing so, we
in fact denigrate our own mothers.
The language used in some correspondences does not behove of any decent,
cultured person, leave alone educated ones. This charade is going on for a long
time and is testing everybody's patience. Let us cease and desist from using
vulgar, demeaning, indecent, toxic language.
This is applicable to all the languages used - English, Tamizh, Malayalam and
to ALL involved. Let not any one person claim any moral high ground. Nobody,
repeat NOBODY involved in the exchanges comes out smelling roses.
Also let not anyone claim that he is innocent, he IS not.
If any answer in the Q & A is incorrect, then whoever wants to correct it,
correct it BUT NOT call the question or the reply stupid, senseless etc.
Each has a different opinion and it is just that- an opinion.
I don't think God has appointed anybody as His Sole Agent to call anybody else
names.
Hope better sense will prevail.
N Sekar
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On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:29 PM, Rama<[email protected]> wrote: What is
required is NOT the tutorials in any language but in general behavior in a
Group forum. The use of abusive languages has reached beyond limits and
boundaries. The so-called elderly and revered gentleman ( as adorned by a
member) throws out abuses at his whims and fancies, even disrespecting Mothers
in the process. What is the use of possessing "wealth of Knowledge" ?One
gentleman "swears" by God but subsequently uses filthiest language thus
displaying an alarming lack of social conscience. I have not known any of these
gentlemen personally but only through this social media of Iyer group to which
I am a member since last 2 decades. I have never come across such abusive
languages which has now become a recent phenomena too often discrediting
themselves by engaging in character assassination. In all the exchanges I have
observed that one particular gentleman (Sh Rajaram) is targeted. He too
posses a wealth of knowledge and his immense contribution in variety of
subjects is to be appreciated. Indeed he has good command of languages and
writing skills in English ,Tamil, Sanskrit and Hindi. Many a times I have
seen, he has translated verses for easy understanding. Of course there may be
some default errors that goes unnoticed while typing in the electronic media
after all it is human I do agree that he also retaliates with equal force but
he is not a saint or Mahatma to be at the receiving end all times.
While writing the above, i do not mean any offence to anybody. It is all in
good spirits. Let us have a harmonious relationship with each in this group.
Let us respect each other for their well being. Cheers Rama
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 at 10:51, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yes sir,
Many of us will be benefited if you conduct tutorial on English leaving
responding to a never correct, never admit arguing and calling others having
bogus position member in the group.
Gopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 10:34:43 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]> wrote:
Most Respected Narayanaswamy Anna
A humble prayer to your goodself
Apart from sharing your infinite knowledge and with us, can you kindly do us
another favour?
Would it be too much if i request you to kindly conduct tutorials for basic
English language skills to enable us not only to improve our language skills
but also equip us with the ability to make sense of the gibberish that passes
off as "learned responses" in language stranger than the Martian lingo?
On Mon, 25 Dec, 2023, 7:11 pm Narayanaswamy Iyer, <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
He is here again !
Unlearned, unschooled, uneducated nonentity K Rajaram IRS 25 12 23 discharging
another truckload of obscene horse-shit and male bovine excreta in his
drain-gutter-sewer broken English.
And screaming and shooting his head off with his habitual incomprehensible,
ungrammatical, incorrect nonsense.
"SINDU MUDITHAL, for example, is neither Sanskrit nor Thamizh. It is a
miscegenated (bastard) word which tries to unite illegitimately the Sanskrit
word for the Indus River with the Thamizh word for "knotting" or "ending".
Just one more instance of the vagrant street-gangster-rowdy's non-knowledge of
our Indian classical and our modern living languages.
The cement-brained stone-skulled perpetual idiot talks about something
non-existent and concocted by his incurable insanity and senility.:-
"I challenged because of your nudgetry."
Further proof that the castrated unmitigated permanent idiot has lost his nuts.
"You write nonsensical observations of my post , English etc only as a ROAD
THUG."
Pot calling the kettle black? Vagrant unlearned unschooled uneducated
street-fighter labelling someone else as a "road thug", when it is itself
scouring the dark unlitback-lanes and side-streets of Red Dogtown hunting for
potential clients for its confessed professional sex worker mother?
"I care two hoots.
The mousing owl hiding in the recesses of a ruined tower identifying itself non
pareil?
"The corrupt minds wag their tails. I cannot help it."
Self-confessed NAYUNDA MAVEN revealing his ancestry and his canine
cement-filled mind?
"Others have obligations; I do not have anything to fear."
He forgets his obligations not to lie but to tell the truth. Not to defame
others. Not to use filthy words. Not to misread, not to misunderstand, not to
mis-translate, not to mis-publish extracts from our vedams, our puraanams and
other scriptures.
He has to fear being stipped of his pretensions and having his nonsense exposed
to public gaze, and to be proved an unmitigated stupid fool again and again
"Every good question against the vedic structures were answered in upanishads,
Puranas and other texts, by Rishis.
The structure of r'g-vedam is such that it is full of holes like a Swiss
cheese. And these holes are stuffed with verses stolen from the yajur-vedam.
Including the opening and concluding verses.
Which upanishad, puranam and other text, by rishis explains why this is so?
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 4:48 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mr Gopala krishnan In sanskrit and many languages they say: SINDU
MUDITHAL; i APPRECIATE EVERY ONE; i WRITE ON EVERYONE'S AIRING MY VIEWS; SO I
HAVE NOTHING TO ENVY ABOUT ANYONE; I WRITE ALWAYS --ALL SHOULD WRITE. Then
where is the new theory of yours? You are writing good about some general
topics; rarely under Q and A at times you write good; and I had given my
appreciations; but you do not know at 89 to move good with people or write
perfect for your age; you are carried away by misconceptions as your friend
Narayanasamy and another; I challenged because of your nudgetry, 1 you
Gopalakrishnan till date -did not write that I am wrong, by evidentiary
establishment, because, when you turn the pages, the truth is laughing at
you!!; hence out of great frustrations, you write nonsensical observations of
my post , English etc only as a ROAD THUG. See when you present one, you get
back ten. Learn to behave, write, rebut strongly as I do. It is the same
position with Narayansamy who cannot do anything better; so neti and adverse
marks blended with abuses tying in my family whom he did not know and incurring
tonnes of sin. I care two hoots because I AM CLEAR IN MY MIND. Honesty is not
frightened but the corrupt minds wag their tails. I cannot help it. Why even
few good people were also enticed by pressure from the community and other
fore-seen reasons. Tan nenrivadhu poyyarkka poythain than nenje thannaich
chudum; hence those side tracks will come back. But you three cannot be
redeemed at all. When many are running away from you three, I am not afraid of
you three at all, why? Others have obligations; I do not have anything to
fear. Now your sindu with Bala Iyer, I wrote that I will meet his view also, in
spite of the right question he raised; read it again. So you 3 have no
knowledge of matter (as you said GAYA srardham, is end of all sradham which
you are still evading; you do such things often; evading ; ) ; you 3 who cannot
do anything better , feels hitting at , which is never ever a loss to me,
because , stupids are not forces to reckon with. Bala iyer's question is
relevant; even I had asked such questions in these forums, which is not yet
answered by any one. But every good question against the vedic structures were
answered in upanishads, Puranas and other texts, by Rishis; so one shall not
question Vedas is also right as well as right questions must be clarified, if
known; so what Mr Bala Iyer raised waas NETI or your type of nagations; how by
adopting gotra can be changed is relevant question; and i said I will write
shortly; content to content is not like yours Gopala. So forget the sindu
mudithal and live righteously; whatever you 3 do nothing can be done against
the dharma. Thank you And as long as you raise your funny flag I shall put it
down. K Rajaram IRS 25 12 23
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From: 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 at 12:44
Subject: [KeralaIyers] Envious nature
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>,
Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha
<[email protected]>
Respected sir,
You have revealed. Mr Rajaram is envious- I have also observed. Otherwise this
much of negations must not have come from him. He is not able to tolerate more
qualified criticize him. It is also obvious from his responses with Bala N
iyer.
Gopalakrishnan
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