What should I declare, as the provocaters are on the other side of the shore, Narayanasamy is declaring? Lets see KR 271223
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 at 06:28 Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Envious nature To: <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]>, N. Sekar <[email protected]>, gopala krishnan <[email protected]>, Rama <[email protected]> Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> Dear folks So long as there is no provocation and no resort to Thamizh abuses, obscenities and blasphemies, there will be no robust rebuttals. S Narayanaswamy Iyer On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:36 PM Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote: > Point well taken, Sri Sekar-ji. Let's hope the present is buried and we > open a new chapter > > With respectful regards, Sir > > On Tue, 26 Dec, 2023, 8:55 pm Narayanaswamy Sekar, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Sir, >> >> As you have addressed me in my personal Mail id (this [email protected]) >> I take it your remarks abour rooting for one member included me. Yes, I >> took exception to members' mothers being brought into a needless brawl but >> I did not stop there but also stated >> >> No one comes out smelling Roses >> >> No one can claim any moral superiority >> >> And >> >> No one can claim he is innocent. >> >> That should explain my stand. I supported nobody and didn't condemn any >> one in particular. >> >> Even though I stated in my last Mail that it will be my last, I break >> that promise just to clarify to you because you served in the Army which I >> hold in very high esteem. >> >> If you don't think I am showing off, let me say that I include our Armed >> Forces whenever I perform any Archana or Homam. This habit of mine has >> raised a few eyebrows of the Kurukkals, and Sastrigals, besides those >> standing near enough to me who can hear my Sankalpam. >> >> At Kedarnath, the priest refused to accept any Dakshina ( he demanded a >> rather big sum initially) saying he cannot accept any Dakshina for an >> Archana (including a short Homam) which included our Armed forces. >> >> We sleep peacefully because we are aware that your tribe keeps awake >> 24/365 to ensure our safety. >> >> Kind regards >> N Sekar >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 7:40 PM Laxminarayan Sarma < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen >>> >>> It's great that a few of our learned members have finally chosen to >>> speak up. >>> >>> While i believe that this intervention will stem the barrage of the >>> almost perennial Saraswati Vilasam ( of which, i confess, i am also guilty) >>> witnessed in this Forum since months, let me hasten to add, that Shri >>> Gopalakrishnan and I were compelled to step in to stem the flood >>> >>> Both Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji and I were gentle, politely persuadive and >>> respectful in the beginning but miserably failed under a torrent of vile >>> abuses, profuse obscenities in Tamil. I will not name the person whom i am >>> referring to. >>> >>> In true Gandhian spirit we turned the other cheek. But our efforts bore >>> no fruit. >>> >>> And, honestly speaking, every member was a mute spectator? >>> >>> So , as they say in Hindi ईंट का जवाब पत्थर से, we had to respond in >>> like coin. Shri Gopalkrishnan-ji used milder language. But not i. >>> >>> Rooting for one participant in particular is not kosher. Each one of is >>> well read, knowledgable, we all possess multiple language skills , some are >>> linguists, and a few are polyglots. So let's not promote any one individual >>> claiming he's exceptional, implying thereby that the rest of us belong to >>> an inferior species. >>> >>> Let's hope that this verbal feud will end now and things revert to >>> normalcy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 26 Dec, 2023, 7:06 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Mr Sekar >>>> Gopalakrishnan >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 06:29:47 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Sekar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Sri G K. >>>> >>>> Let us hope at least hereafter we will have decent exchanges befitting >>>> a group consisting largely of senior citizens who are educated and have >>>> held senior positions. >>>> >>>> May be because I lost my mother soon after I started earning ( could >>>> not do much when she was alive, most of it went to meet her medical costs) >>>> I feel immense pain and anguish when any other mother is insulted. I see no >>>> reason why one's mother needs to be dragged into what is essentially an ego >>>> fight between any two members. >>>> >>>> When we say Mata, Pita, Guru , Deivam and mean it, we cannot disparage >>>> any mother. >>>> >>>> If we have to disagree , let us do it in an agreeable manner. >>>> >>>> As the saying goes >>>> >>>> " We can disagree without being disagreeable". >>>> >>>> I will stop with this on this topic. >>>> >>>> N Sekar >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:27 PM, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I am not a genius.But I have to be satisfied with my capacity.Using it >>>> I write my own perceptions.Rarely I get response,I usually get response >>>> from Sri Rajaram. >>>> But none even appear to notice.Today I wrote my own idea about the >>>> 'Role of Theism'.No response from anyone.Afterall one could have responded >>>> to it with one's own learning,about which there must be great perceptions >>>> in many. >>>> But this unpleasant war continues.I of course do not read >>>> most.Strange,own perceptions die everyday without response,but still I >>>> start my morning with a fresh morning write up,eagerly waiting for the >>>> continuation and expansion of the thought a futile earning. >>>> YM >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:10 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Mr Sekar, >>>> >>>> As a group member, not able to tolerate any more the exchanges between >>>> members Mr Rajaram, Sri Nrayanaswamy, Mr LN Sharma and myself, >>>> >>>> Your observations are 95% correct.I agree."NOBODY involved in the >>>> exchanges comes out smelling roses"."Also let not anyone claim that he is >>>> innocent, he IS not". >>>> >>>> I put it at 95% because my involvement is limited to *language >>>> correction and oppose to allegations*. >>>> *I swear I have not used any abusing words at any member in any >>>> language. I am ready to take excuse if any member point out that I have >>>> used abusing words in any language * >>>> >>>> Gopalakrishnan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 02:19:02 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Sekar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *'N Sekar' via iyer123* <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:14 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Envious nature >>>> To: <[email protected]>, Rama <[email protected]>, >>>> Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Chittanandam V. R. < >>>> [email protected]>, Mathangi K. Kumar <[email protected]>, >>>> Kerala Iyer <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> I have written earlier also but did not want to harp on that point >>>> again and again lest I would become the target. >>>> >>>> I hope to be understood in the spirit in which this is written and >>>> hope not to be subjected to any verbal onslaught - erudite, scholarly or >>>> otherwise - in whatever language. >>>> >>>> My earlier request still stands which I repeat now: >>>> >>>> If at all you have to use toxic words, IF AT ALL, pl go ahead BUT >>>> please stop, please, please for Heaven's sake, STOP targeting someone's >>>> mother - she is not responsible for any real, imagined, perceived mistake , >>>> error or indecent or improper behaviour of any contributor. >>>> >>>> So is calling someone " Bastard". Let us remember we all have our >>>> mothers before we write anything abusive about any other woman, especially >>>> when that person is not a party to these disgusting, deplorable, detestable >>>> and downright condemnable exchanges. >>>> >>>> Our religion teaches us to look to any woman, other than our wives, as >>>> our mother and let us remember that before we abuse any mother. While doing >>>> so, we in fact denigrate our own mothers. >>>> >>>> The language used in some correspondences does not behove of any >>>> decent, cultured person, leave alone educated ones. This charade is going >>>> on for a long time and is testing everybody's patience. Let us cease and >>>> desist from using vulgar, demeaning, indecent, toxic language. >>>> >>>> This is applicable to all the languages used - English, Tamizh, >>>> Malayalam and to ALL involved. Let not any one person claim any moral high >>>> ground. Nobody, repeat NOBODY involved in the exchanges comes out smelling >>>> roses. >>>> >>>> Also let not anyone claim that he is innocent, he IS not. >>>> >>>> If any answer in the Q & A is incorrect, then whoever wants to correct >>>> it, correct it BUT NOT call the question or the reply stupid, senseless >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> Each has a different opinion and it is just that- an opinion. >>>> >>>> I don't think God has appointed anybody as His Sole Agent to call >>>> anybody else names. >>>> >>>> Hope better sense will prevail. >>>> >>>> N Sekar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:29 PM, Rama >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> What is required is NOT the tutorials in any language but in general >>>> behavior in a Group forum. The use of abusive languages has reached beyond >>>> limits and boundaries. >>>> The so-called elderly and revered gentleman ( as adorned by a member) >>>> throws out abuses at his whims and fancies, even disrespecting Mothers in >>>> the process. What is the use of possessing "wealth of Knowledge" ? >>>> One gentleman "swears" by God but subsequently uses filthiest language >>>> thus displaying an alarming lack of social conscience. >>>> I have not known any of these gentlemen personally but only through >>>> this social media of Iyer group to which I am a member since last 2 >>>> decades. I have never come across such abusive languages which has now >>>> become a recent phenomena too often discrediting themselves by engaging in >>>> character assassination. >>>> In all the exchanges I have observed that one particular gentleman (Sh >>>> Rajaram) is targeted. He too posses a wealth of knowledge and his immense >>>> contribution in variety of subjects is to be appreciated. Indeed he has >>>> good command of languages and writing skills in English ,Tamil, Sanskrit >>>> and Hindi. Many a times I have seen, he has translated verses for easy >>>> understanding. Of course there may be some default errors that goes >>>> unnoticed while typing in the electronic media after all it is human >>>> I do agree that he also retaliates with equal force but he is not a >>>> saint or Mahatma to be at the receiving end all times. >>>> >>>> While writing the above, i do not mean any offence to anybody. It is >>>> all in good spirits. Let us have a harmonious relationship with each in >>>> this group. Let us respect each other for their well being. >>>> Cheers >>>> Rama >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 at 10:51, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes sir, >>>> >>>> Many of us will be benefited if you conduct tutorial on English >>>> leaving responding to a never correct, never admit arguing and >>>> calling others having bogus position member in the group. >>>> >>>> Gopalakrishnan >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 26 December, 2023 at 10:34:43 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Most Respected Narayanaswamy Anna* >>>> >>>> *A humble prayer to your goodself * >>>> >>>> *Apart from sharing your infinite knowledge and with us, can you kindly >>>> do us another favour?* >>>> >>>> *Would it be too much if i request you to kindly conduct tutorials for >>>> basic English language skills to enable us not only to improve our language >>>> skills but also equip us with the ability to make sense of the gibberish >>>> that passes off as "learned responses" in language stranger than the >>>> Martian lingo? * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 25 Dec, 2023, 7:11 pm Narayanaswamy Iyer, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear folks >>>> >>>> He is here again ! >>>> >>>> Unlearned, unschooled, uneducated nonentity K Rajaram IRS 25 12 23 >>>> discharging >>>> another truckload of obscene horse-shit and male bovine excreta in his >>>> drain-gutter-sewer broken English. >>>> >>>> And screaming and shooting his head off with his habitual >>>> incomprehensible, ungrammatical, incorrect nonsense. >>>> >>>> "*SINDU MUDITHAL*, for example, is neither Sanskrit nor Thamizh. It >>>> is a miscegenated (bastard) word which tries to unite illegitimately the >>>> Sanskrit word for the Indus River with the Thamizh word for "knotting" or >>>> "ending". >>>> >>>> Just one more instance of the vagrant street-gangster-rowdy's >>>> non-knowledge of our Indian classical and our modern living languages. >>>> >>>> The cement-brained stone-skulled perpetual idiot talks about something >>>> non-existent and concocted by his incurable insanity and senility.:- >>>> >>>> "*I challenged because of your nudgetry."* >>>> >>>> Further proof that the castrated unmitigated permanent idiot has lost >>>> his nuts. >>>> >>>> "*You write nonsensical observations of my post , English etc only as >>>> a ROAD THUG."* >>>> >>>> Pot calling the kettle black? Vagrant unlearned unschooled uneducated >>>> street-fighter labelling someone else as a "road thug", when it is itself >>>> scouring the dark unlitback-lanes and side-streets of Red Dogtown hunting >>>> for potential clients for its confessed professional sex worker mother? >>>> >>>> *"**I care two hoots*. >>>> >>>> The mousing owl hiding in the recesses of a ruined tower identifying >>>> itself non pareil? >>>> >>>> "*T**he corrupt minds wag their tails*. * I cannot help it.*" >>>> >>>> Self-confessed NAYUNDA MAVEN revealing his ancestry and his canine >>>> cement-filled mind? >>>> >>>> "*Others have obligations; I do not have anything to fear*." >>>> >>>> He forgets his obligations not to lie but to tell the truth. Not to >>>> defame others. Not to use filthy words. Not to misread, not to >>>> misunderstand, not to mis-translate, not to mis-publish extracts from our >>>> vedams, our puraanams and other scriptures. >>>> >>>> He has to fear being stipped of his pretensions and having his nonsense >>>> exposed to public gaze, and to be proved an unmitigated stupid fool again >>>> and again >>>> >>>> "*Every good question against the vedic structures were answered in >>>> upanishads, Puranas and other texts, by Rishis.* >>>> >>>> The structure of r'g-vedam is such that it is full of holes like a >>>> Swiss cheese. And these holes are stuffed with verses stolen from the >>>> yajur-vedam. Including the opening and concluding verses. >>>> >>>> Which upanishad, puranam and other text, by rishis explains why this is >>>> so? >>>> >>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 4:48 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mr Gopala krishnan >>>> In sanskrit and many languages they say: SINDU MUDITHAL; i >>>> APPRECIATE EVERY ONE; i WRITE ON EVERYONE'S AIRING MY VIEWS; SO I HAVE >>>> NOTHING TO ENVY ABOUT ANYONE; I WRITE ALWAYS --ALL SHOULD WRITE. Then where >>>> is the new theory of yours? You are writing good about some general topics; >>>> rarely under Q and A at times you write good; and I had given my >>>> appreciations; but you do not know at 89 to move good with people or write >>>> perfect for your age; you are carried away by misconceptions as your friend >>>> Narayanasamy and another; I challenged because of your nudgetry, 1 you >>>> Gopalakrishnan till date -did not write that I am wrong, by evidentiary >>>> establishment, because, when you turn the pages, the truth is laughing at >>>> you!!; hence out of great frustrations, you write nonsensical observations >>>> of my post , English etc only as a ROAD THUG. See when you present one, you >>>> get back ten. Learn to behave, write, rebut strongly as I do. It is the >>>> same position with Narayansamy who cannot do anything better; so neti and >>>> adverse marks blended with abuses tying in my family whom he did not know >>>> and incurring tonnes of sin. I care two hoots because I AM CLEAR IN MY >>>> MIND. Honesty is not frightened but the corrupt minds wag their tails. I >>>> cannot help it. Why even few good people were also enticed by pressure >>>> from the community and other fore-seen reasons. Tan nenrivadhu poyyarkka >>>> poythain than nenje thannaich chudum; hence those side tracks will come >>>> back. But you three cannot be redeemed at all. When many are running away >>>> from you three, I am not afraid of you three at all, why? Others have >>>> obligations; I do not have anything to fear. Now your sindu with Bala Iyer, >>>> I wrote that I will meet his view also, in spite of the right question he >>>> raised; read it again. So you 3 have no knowledge of matter (as you said >>>> GAYA srardham, is end of all sradham which you are still evading; you do >>>> such things often; evading ; ) ; you 3 who cannot do anything better , >>>> feels hitting at , which is never ever a loss to me, because , stupids are >>>> not forces to reckon with. Bala iyer's question is relevant; even I had >>>> asked such questions in these forums, which is not yet answered by any one. >>>> But every good question against the vedic structures were answered in >>>> upanishads, Puranas and other texts, by Rishis; so one shall not question >>>> Vedas is also right as well as right questions must be clarified, if >>>> known; so what Mr Bala Iyer raised waas NETI or your type of nagations; how >>>> by adopting gotra can be changed is relevant question; and i said I will >>>> write shortly; content to content is not like yours Gopala. So forget the >>>> sindu mudithal and live righteously; whatever you 3 do nothing can be done >>>> against the dharma. Thank you And as long as you raise your funny flag I >>>> shall put it down. K Rajaram IRS 25 12 23 >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers* <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 at 12:44 >>>> Subject: [KeralaIyers] Envious nature >>>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Iyer < >>>> [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, >>>> Patty Thatha <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Respected sir, >>>> >>>> You have revealed. Mr Rajaram is envious- I have also observed. >>>> Otherwise this much of negations must not have come from him. He is not >>>> able to tolerate more qualified criticize him. 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