Of Course in the south except the modern non- agama temples created by Esha yoga center like who allow the touch prayer of the idol, lingam etc. In all the temples, and village temples, women and other villagers worship certain erected structures, while going pradakshinam , of the arasa mara tree; there there will be Bali peetam which will look like lingam. However T Nagar Siva Vishnu temple is known to me for the past 68 years where I used to go with my grandfather to sengalipuram katha kalakshepam; sat beside Rajaji who will come and sit down only. and the arasa maram has that shaped bali peetam and other structures which women will touch and worship. A video attached where around 3.32 minutes one can see that tree. Thank you K R IRS 14 24 https://youtu.be/DXOakL5uYrw
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 at 13:22, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Mani Sir. > > Your response gives me the opportunity to say that > In the Siva Vishnu Temple, in T' Nagar (very near the bus terminus), > Chennai, there is a Shivling where everyone is allowed to touch it, pour > milk, adorn it with flowers etc. > > Same is the case with the Sacred Tree and the Naga Idols. > > These are in the outer Prakaram - the area where we circumbulate. > > Like so many others I too spend the maximum time sitting in front of the > Deity and say Gayathri Mantra or Om Namashivaya or any prayer. > > On Shivratri days the crowd is huge. > > The joy and happiness one gets when one can performs Abhishekams to an > Idol, INSTALLED WITHIN THE TEMPLE is great. > It is a common practice in many temples in the North. > > N Sekar > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:42 PM, APS Mani > <[email protected]> wrote: > A verwell brought exposure on the subject, Sekar Sir. Precise and yet > deep thoughts. Thanks, Manii > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 12:03 PM 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks. > > I have only a fleeting knowledge of the Agama Shastras based on what I > have heard ( not necessarily from Agama Shastra experts - but from > Upanyasams mainly) and read books and magazines and articles in journals. > > With this CAVEAT, let me say: > > As stated in the Mail, we are allowed to touch the Vigrahams and pour milk > and place flowers etc. in the North - and this includes Kedarnath Lingam ( > in the form of a small rock) and Kashi - at the Kashi Vishwanath Temple. > In fact at Kashi we witnessed the early morning (3 A M I think) Abhishekam > where ashes are being brought from a freshy burning body from the > Manikarnika Ghat. > > Of course, we have our own Kannapa Nayanar and Nandanar episodes where > Shiva demonstrated that what matters tl Him is > BHAKTHI AND BHAKTHI ALONE. > Everything else is secondary. > > Krishna has said in the B G, that He will accept even a leaf or just a > spoon of water and of course flowers and fruits(and not necessarily > elaborate shows) IF OFFERED WITH BHAKTHI - Patram, Pushpam, Palam, Thoyam. > > I hope people are aware of these two great Leelas of Shiva - of Kannappa > Nayanar and Nandanar who the Chidambaram Dikshidars carried on their > shoulders on His Orders, not to mention the other Leelas mentioned in > Thiruvilayadal Puranam. > > So, why should Modi be chosen to place the Idol of Rama of all people - we > waited for more than 500 years to get a Temple erected for Rama at his > birth place and could have waited indefinitely as we did for 500 years > until he came and sought a solution ( remember the U P A denied Rama's > existence and asked for His birth certificate?) - I feel that the court > verdict and the Pranapradhishta should happen during his tenure is DIVINE > WILL. Let us bow down in humility and gratitude and join in the > celebrations. > > Instead of rejoicing and being grateful, we harp on why he should and why > he shouldn't which does no good to us - Hindus. This is how we allow > ourselves to be divided so others can rule us. > > Bhakthi knows no caste or creed. > > Let not any divisive forces spoil a historic event; we are blessed to be > at this time to witness this. We are witnessing history in the making. > > Each part of our country and each Sect follows it's own traditions and > practices and the particular Sect associated with this temple from historic > times have chosen him and also how the worship and rituals will be > conducted. > > Let us respect their Traditions and Practices as we would expect others to > respect ours. > > Jai Sri Ram. > JAI HIND > > N Sekar > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 6:53 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 > <[email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > I feel the Whatsapp message forwarded is correct. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 14 January, 2024 at 05:56:19 am IST, ARR < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > It's crucial to be well-versed in the details of knowledge and to avoid > speaking from a place of ignorance. - ====== > I am sharing what I received from a scholarly elder in another group, > don't want to quote him (with due respects to his privacy!!), hope this > helps. > > Many of us are ignorant about the temple aagama shastras and pass > comments on whatsapp gyan. > > New Temple Consecration (not the right word but this is the closest word > in English) is different from PunaruddharaNam and to some extent also from > Kumbabhishekam. > > If there is an existing temple, the murtis there are already energised by > long years of vedic chants, abhishekams and cosmic energy flowing through > the vimanas / Copper or Gold kalashams on the top. > > If that temple is to be repaired, esp inside and around the Garba Griham > , the learned pundits will do "Baalalayam" > > Baalayam means transfering the same existing energy of the murtis to a > copper plate or yantra or a gods picture and kept it away from the repair > site area > > After all the repairs are finished, painting etc are finished, they will > transfer the energy back to the main deities inside the garba griha. > > During the repair period , masons , painters , sculptors etc can enter the > garba griha and touch the deities stone murtis too. > > No offence here. > > But after the murtis are reenergised after baalalayam and the subsequent > kumbhabhishekam, nobody other than the authorised archakas well versed in > Aagama rituals can enter the gatbagriha or touch the deities > > For existing temples, kumbhabhishekam is done once in every 12 years to > clean up the channels through which the cosmic energy is transferred from > the vimana kalashams into the stone deities below. > > For new temples being constructed, only after the Praana Pathista and > Kumbhabhishekam rituals, the murtis are energised. > > Till those rituals are completed, anybody can touch the murtis without > any offence. > > In the new temples, the eyes of the stone deities are opened by the chief > sculptor / Sthapathi only after the deity is fixed on the pedestal over the > copper plates with beeja mantra of that particular deity written / drawn > and ashta bandhanam ( herbal paste) is used to seal the joints. > > Then the Prana prathista is done followed by kumbhabhishekam of the > vimana kalashams > > Only after that no outsiders are allowed to enter garba griha or touch the > deities. > > These rules are applicable only for this temples which were built on > Aagama principles and strictly followed thereafter. > > Many of the old temples in northern and western bharat wete demolished by > the invaders and after that agama rules were not followed in many temples > due to shortage of time, fear of the invading rulers etc. > > So we find that the bhakths touch the deities and worship in those > temples. But in the southern Bharat aagama temples, which were relatively > protected from the invaders , touching the deities is strictly forbidden > > So PM Modi carrying the Ram Lalla murti till it is placed on the pedestal > inside the Garba Griha is NOT an offence at all. > > Since the rituals of Prana Prathista and Vimana kalashams kumbhabhishekam > will be done only after that, ( energising the newly made idols), there is > no agama rule getting broken here. > > Sculptors often STAND on the idols they make. What they make is a > prathima. Esoteric rituals done on this will elevate it to a bimbam. > Further rituals make it a Vigraham ( vesheshena graahyathi ) that which has > the ability to absorb and emit divine Energies. > > By the way the praana prathishta STARTS with an apology to the > Onmipresent Sarvavyaapi saying "forgive me for trying to limit the > limitless YOU into this Vigraham . > > " The worship methodology of Vigrahams in a temple like Abhishekam ( > bathing ), dressing up ( alankaaram ), feeding ( naivedyam ) etc IS BECAUSE > WE HAVE REDUCED THE DIVINE TO OUR HUMAN LEVEL. > > This is why any mistake in the aaachaarams will negatively affect the > Deities and therefore the temple and consequently the bhakthas. 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