Respected sirs,
I was busy in the morning on domestic front. Later when I read I did not
respond because for Mr Rajaram, He is Devarshi, whatever he writes are Deva
vakyam.
What I have read in Balabharatham in my boyhood days is all Pandavas were
nephews to Lord Krishna.
" Krishna shared a special bond with the Pandavas because he was related to
them. The Pandavas' mother, Kunti, was a cousin of Vasudev, Krishna's
biological father"-Google search.
Friendship and relationship are different.
I do not recollect a single occasion Droupadi behaved with Lord Krishna in a
friendly manner. All Pandavas and Droupadi respected Lord Krishna
Gopalkrishnan
On Tuesday, 5 March, 2024 at 05:21:33 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
When our unemployed ex-exciseman tries to put on the mantle of a supreme
archaic philosopher, and spouts words that "out-Herod Herod", as on this
occasion, he falls promptly flat on his face, and ends up with a bloody nose, a
dislodged lower jawbone, and a cracked forehead.
Hear the foghorn blowing:-
"The Friendship Between Krishna And Draupadi Doesn’t Need A Societal Definition
"Krishna promotes freedom of thoughts and actions, while Draupadi demonstrates
that freedom through her thoughts and actions all her life.
"This relationship does not require an accord of socially accepted norms. It
does not require physical presence or recognition of a form. This relationship
is an epitome of openness of mind and progressive thinking of Draupadi and
Krishna.
"Their knot strengthens after her marriage."
My comments:- (1) Draupathi and Krishna had a private mutual "knot of
friendship" even before her marriage to the five brothers?
(2) This "knot" never ever existed between Draupathi and her five husbands
throughout her life?
(3) During the Mahaabhaaratha war, did Krishna allow his close friend Arjuna to
have his own thoughts and actions, or did he force down Arjuna's throat
Krishna's own (contrary) thoughts and actions?
(4) Did Draupathi, who was the helpless captive prize in an archery match, have
the freedom to refuse to marry and to serve more than one husband?
(5) Is there a "non-Societal" definition of friendship? If so, what exactly is
it?
(6) Was there ever a true friendship between Draupathi and Arjuna, or between
Draupathi and her other four husbands?
(7) Was the "special Non-Societal Friendship" between Draupathi and Krishna
merely an illicit bond behind the backs of her wedded husbands?
(8) Was such friendship a betrayal by Krishna of his In-Societal Friendship
with Raadhaa?
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:54 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
CULTURAL QA 03202405
Q1 What did youlearn from your best friend?
KR What isreal friendship? Not travelling in Rail where one meet someone
and you or himoff the rail and then forgotten. Good friends exist as a kid till
death partsthem apart, singing together as well as fighting with each other and
helping atothers’ cost.
The Friendship Between Krishna And Draupadi Doesn’t Need ASocietal Definition
Krishna promotes freedom of thoughts and actions, whileDraupadi demonstrates
that freedom through her thoughts and actions all herlife.
Krishna promotesfreedom of thoughts and actions, while Draupadi demonstrates
that freedomthrough her thoughts and actions all her life.
This relationship does not require an accord of sociallyaccepted norms. It does
not require physical presence or recognition of a form.This relationship is an
epitome of openness of mind and progressive thinking ofDraupadi and Krishna.
Their knot strengthens after her marriage
A knot of friendship between Draupadi and Krishna getsknit tighter after
Draupadi’s Swayamvara. Krishna is present on the occasion ofan archery contest
arranged for her. Draupadi is bequeathed with such amagnetic beauty that every
male looking at her wants to possess her.
Draupadi is a good judge of character and takes note ofthis distinction of
Krishna’s character. He is someone who is absolved of allkinds of lust and
greed of possession. She appreciates that Krishna valuesself-respect and honour
of others without a gender discrimination.
Draupadi also starts reciprocating a same kind ofbehaviour with respect to
Krishna. Although Krishna becomes her brother-in-lawafter her marriage, he
considers her his friend. He does not consider itnecessary to put a layer of
any other relationship between them.
A relationship between them starts blooming like petals ofa lotus. This shows
greatness of Draupadi’s character. She is someone who candistinguish an
exceptional behaviour, appreciate it and embed the same in herown life.
Draupadi and Krishna share the commonalities in theirrespective appearance.
Both of them are considered an epitome of aestheticappearance. However, both of
them are dark in colour, as against a common canonof beauty attached to a
fairness.
This progressiveness and comprehensiveness of approach onpart of Draupadi and
Krishna towards beauty is astounding even for contemporarywomen. A contemporary
woman should embrace this progressive and comprehensiveapproach towards beauty.
Draupadi and Krishna both are the kind of personalitieswho can withstand
against everything in life. They know how to make their ownway and to move
ahead in life. And also, to bring fulfilment to their own lifeas well as in the
life of others.
Being married to the Pandavas, gives Draupadi the purposeto the journey of her
life. Both Draupadi and Krishna, are enlightened soulsand strive to make both
their own and their partners lives meaningful.
A journey of life of Draupadi and Krishna is like acircumambulation. They
together ambulate in a circle of their own life. Andbring a motion to all those
who come in a sphere of their life. Together, theycreate a positive circuit of
a life where Dharma prevails. Draupadi and Krishnatogether set an example that
life is not about having the best but is all aboutgiving out the best.
A relationship with Krishna never constrained Draupadi inher role of dutiful
wife. On the other hand, a relationship with Krishna hasprovided a new
perspective to Draupadi’s marital life. A relationship withDraupadi has opened
a world of womanhood for Krishna. It helped him understanda woman with a better
perspective and in turn, create a new path for womenempowerment.
A relationship with Krishna turned an introvert Draupadiinto an extrovert and
helped her understand each of her husbands with a broaderperspective. A wife’s
male friend is never looked upon positively in a society.However, Draupadi
treads a new path by taking an initiative to build a positiverelationship of
her husbands with Krishna. Draupadi considers Krishna abenchmark of the perfect
man. This helped her work towards bringing several notch elevations
tocharacters of each of her husbands.
Faith and respect are the foundation rocks of the relationshipbetween Draupadi
and Krishna. Their respect for each other has stemmed from adeep understanding
of each other’s character. The common characteristic betweenthem is their
ability to read the other person with all of their emotions andto judge on all
possible parameters.
Like good attracts good, Draupadi and Krishna form amagnetic relationship. This
great respect has resulted in faith towards eachother. This faith has been
strengthenedthrough various episodes of their life, where they showed a great
amount ofmutual understanding.
The extreme level of mutual understanding takes arelationship between Draupadi
and Krishna to new heights. Both of them try tounderstand an ideology and
perspective of each other. In the bargain, both ofthem with their progressive
thinking set up a new path for feminism.
Krishna is the one whose principles are based on equality.He recognises
Draupadi’s potential and pushes her to excel in all the spheresof life,
irrespective of the constraints put in the society for a woman.Draupadi
appreciates his progressiveness and follows the same path for herlife.
Krishna is the one who knows the value of self-respect andhonour and always
encourages an act to protect the same for others. Therefore,at the time of
public disrobing of Draupadi, he is the one she seeks. Hissupport acts as a
catalyst in her life and changes old perceptions and sets upnew ones.
Krishna often encourages Draupadi to live a life withoutthe pressure from the
society. As a result, Draupadi, follows her instincts andachieves the best in
her life. Krishna and Draupadi have together bring newperspective to woman
empowerment. One that says, there is nothing but growthand development in life
without gender bias.
Krishna promotes freedom of thoughts and actions, whileDraupadi demonstrates
that freedom through her thoughts and actions all herlife. One can say that on
the chess board of Mahabharata, Krishna is like theking, the hero of the game
who plays limited moves. On the other hand, Draupadiis like a queen, the female
hero who actually brings momentum to the game with a vast range of moves. At
the end Mahabharata tells us that there is a victory on Pandavas side with
Krishna as a king and Draupadi as a queen.
Krishna is a social leader who brings a revolution in thesocial values through
his discourse of Bhagwat Geeta. Through the BhagwatGeeta, he explains
principles of life by churning out the knowledge of Vedas.Krishna elucidates
the Bhagwat Geeta to Arjun on the brink of Kurukshetra warto provide a holistic
solution to his dilemma.
Although the Bhagwat Geeta is discourse to Arjun,Draupadi’s husband, Draupadi
has in reality practiced its principles. Throughthe principles of life, Geeta
provides guidance on self-exploration of a humanbeing. Krishna explains three
ways of self-exploration – behavioural, emotionaland intellectual.
A behavioural way of self-exploration emphasises adiscipline of action to
perform duties without consideration of personaldesires. Draupadi has been
dutiful throughout life in all her actions. As adaughter, she has been able to
fulfill the desire of revenge of her father by beinga cause of internecine war
in the Kuru clan. And as a wife, she exemplifies afaithful companion to all
five husbands.
As a daughter-in-law, she works in tandem with hermother-in-law for the
betterment of a family. And as a mother, she successfullyintegrates good values
in her children and takes all decisions in the interestof the well-being of her
children. As a queen, she works hard towards bringing peaceand happiness in the
life of her kingdom. She follows her instincts andacts without being attached
to the results of her deeds. In nutshell, she livesbehavioural principles
elucidated by Krishna.
Draupadi seeks self-exploration at intellectual levelthrough her continual
quest for wisdom of life. A journey of Draupadi’s life ison the path of
achieving wisdom of life. She explores things around her withopenness of mind
and takes learnings along the way of life and transforms herlearnings into the
wisdom of life.
Through this wisdom Draupadi gives meaning to her life andthe world around.
With an axe of wisdom she is able to cut through slices ofreality and look at
the fruits of the results with a detached approach. Draupadiis able to do an
analysis of a situation and a synthesis of the events thattake place around
her. This application of principles at intellectual levelhelps Draupadi to move
ahead in life.
A foundation of the emotional way of self-exploration is afaith in the positive
energy of life. Draupadi showcases strong faith in thisand faces all the
difficulties with equanimity of mind, without beingdemoralised. She has strong
faith in the power of thoughts. Throughout her lifeDraupadi tries to attain
“oneness” with Krishna’s thoughts because she believesthese will help her
surpass all hindrances and achieve her goal. This connectbrings completeness to
Draupadi’s character and makes her life a beautiful andcomplete picture.
AndKrishnarjuna is a different type which I will discuss later. K R IRS
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Q2 What are thecharacteristics of an intelligent person?
KR What isintelligence in Vedas?
In his work Panchadasi (section 6) Vidyaranya swami speaksabout the four
preliminaryconditions of Brahman. They are unassociated intelligence,
intelligence associated with Maya,intelligence of the intellect, and
intelligence associated with the gross bodies.(4 types). These four manifest in
the macrocosm as Isvara, Brahman, Isvara,Hiranyagarbha, and Virat respectively.
Virat is the world. Hiranyagarbha is thecosmic Self. Isvara is the Supreme Lord
and Brahman is the Supreme Self, who isnot subject to any modifications. Just
as everything in a painting rests uponthe canvas, everything in creation rests
upon the Supreme Brahman. Just as thedifferent images in the painting share the
same canvas and are identical withit, all beings in creation share the same
intelligence of Brahman, which actsas the substratum. He also explains what
Avidya means. Accepting the worldly existence asthe supreme object of life and
mistaking it as related to Brahman is an erroror ignorance. It is removed only
by knowledge. True knowledge is perceiving Brahman as the source of all and
theunderlying truth of all.Suck knowledge destroys ignorance. With such
knowledge one becomes awareof the impermanence of things and the transience of
mortal life.
A brief note on Panchadasi: Panchadasi is a medieval work on the Vedanta.It
was authored by Swami Vidyaranya who lived in the 14th century and served asthe
teacher and family priest of Bukka Raya. Prior to his renunciation, he wasknown
as Madhava, Madhavarya, Madhvacharya, and Madhavamatya. Swami Vidyaranyawas a
great proponent of Advaita, the philosophy of non-duality or monism.
Panchadasireflects his belief in the unitary nature of existence and Brahmas as
the onlyreality.
All otherintelligence like 10000 will not buy 20000 phone etc are
baseless intelligencereview.
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Q4 Who are thecraziest/most awesome Indians ever?
KR Thequestion is framed illogically though I welcome the right person
exposed by Mr G.Yes, as we write Indian though many are only NRIs. Paul is also
one such. Welose track of real intelligence. The sad aspect is-should it be
happening evenin the BJP regime? And also remember there are excellent village
scientists whowere not recognised by the world; but a Stanford is a Stanford
for Marconi;Navy red tapism is a pitiable chapter; yet the best element rarely
seen from MrG. I am happy sir K Rajaram IRS 5324
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 at 19:22
Subject: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-05
To: Patty Thatha <[email protected]>, Kerala Iyer
<[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>
CULTURAL QA 03-2024-05
Allthe below QA are from Quora DIGEST to me on 05-03-2024.
Selected quora answers generallyinteresting including jokes are included Still
they need not be 100% correct answers. I am only a compiler.
Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80, on 05-03-2024.
Q1 What did youlearn from your best friend?
A1 GopalkrishnaVishwanath, Willing responder to survey questions 5y
I learned that there are no permanent best friends.
Over a period of 69 years I have had so many personswho could have been called
‘best friend’.
Many are untraceable. I am totally out of touch withthem.
No one became an enemy. Most simply moved away due tocircumstances.
Some retained contact for some time and then slowlywe forgot all about each
other.
There were some instances where, due to the power ofthe internet, I located
some long lost “best friends”. It was not of much use. Too much had happened in
theintervening years and they were now not the same persons I used to
knowearlier.
Last year I went to BITS Pilani, for our Golden JubileeAlumnii meet. Allthe
1967 batch graduates planned to meet there.
120 out of the 300 from the 1967 batch gathered therefor a three day bash.
I met old ‘best friends’ whom I had not seen for halfa century. Many were
unrecognizable. With some I could rekindle the old sparkand with some it was
not possible.
Reasons were two fold. One was some of them had movedup in life to a totally
different economic bracket. They were big, important people and also powerful
andrich compared to my modest middle class status. I felt the difference. They
were of course polite and cordial but there was a glass wallbetween us and
while renewing old contact, I could not breach thatbarrier. I was wary of being
snubbed if I tried to take a liberty that I couldfreely take in the past. They
too did not encourage me to get more familiar. We of course exchanged phone
numbers and email addresses but neithercontacted the other after the meet was
over.
The secondreason was that with some of them, too much had happened in their
lives. Tragedies, deaths,loss of money, health issues, divorces or other family
problems had affected themduring these last 50 years and it showed in the lines
of worry and weariness ontheir faces and they did not want to discuss them. All
they could do was to shake hands with me andtalk formally. These were certainly
not my old ‘best friends’.
The only best friend who remained my best friend allthese 43 years is my wife.
Q2 What are thecharacteristics of an intelligent person?
A2 ChauhanBabu Nath,Sun
An intelligent person who earns Rs 10000 never keepsa phone worth Rs 20000.
An intelligent person does not buy a car or housebike on loan.
An intelligent person will not waste time onFacebook, WhatsApp, Netflix.
An intelligentperson will not argue with anyone on social media on social and
politicalissues.
An intelligent person never depends on just onesource of income.
An intelligent person does not waste money onexpensive clothes, expensive car,
expensive watch and other expensive thingsand invests that money.
A wise person does not share the private matters ofhis home with everyone.
An intelligent person is very punctual.
Intelligent people take care of their health.
It isthrough mistakes that a man becomes wise, a wise man never makes the
samemistake twice.
Q3 Can you tell aViral Story in Nigeria?
A3 Rutty,11h
A beer company was hiring a taster, Someone to tastethe beers before they are
taken for selling. So they placed adverts and oneafternoon, a man walked into
the manager's office asking to be employed.
The managertried to figure out how he could drive him away but couldn't come up
with an idea, so hedecided to give him a trial. He ordered his secretary to
give him a glass ofwine 🍷
He took a sip and said, "It's Red wine,Varietal, three years old, grown on rift
valley, matured in steelcontainers."
"That's correct!" The manager exclaimed,"Well give him another one let's see."
So he was given.
He took a sip again and said, "It's Guinness, acombination of barley, roast
malt extract, and brewers yeast brewed aroundThika road in Nairobi, Kenya 2
years ago"
"Incredible!" said the manager.
Now the manager went closer to the secretary andwhispered to her saying, "Go
get some of your urine in a cup let's see if he will get that."
So the man was given the cup of urine. He took a sip,turned to the manager and
said, "Female urine, 26 years old, 2 weeks pregnant and if I'm not given this
job, Sir I will tell your wifewho is responsible for the pregnancy"
Both th manager and the secretary fainted 😁
The man got the job✌
Q4 Who are thecraziest/most awesome Indians ever?
A4 AbhishekSingh,Studied at Army Public School, Jammu Cantt.9y
Arogyaswami Joseph Paulraj
· A J Paulraj became the 2nd Indian in the world towin the prestigious
MarconiPrize for developing the MIMO techinology.
· That Wi-Fi router at your home, office, school, orthe 4G phone that you use?
All of those devices utilize the MIMO technology whichwas pioneered by him.
· An India-born engineer-scientist AJ ‘Paul’ who wasdisdained by the Indian
system despite his yeoman contribution to the country'snaval defence, and whose
subsequent work in the United States is at the heartof the current high speed
WiFi and 4G mobile systems, has been awarded the 2014Marconi Prize, a Nobel
equivalent for technology pioneers.
· The Marconi Prize, whose previous winners includeworld wide web pioneer Tim
Berners-Lee, Internet legend Vint Cerf, Googlesearch maestro Larry Page, and
cell phone inventor Martin Cooper, comes with a $ 100,000 prize, butprestige
and recognition worth a lot more for these people who are alreadymillionaires.
Uncommonly, the Marconi Prize comes just three years afterPaulraj was honored
with the other major Telecom technology award - the IEEEAlexander Graham Bell
Medalfor his work on theoretical foundations of MIMO.
· The Marconi Prize is an annual award recognizingadvancements in
communications awarded by the Marconi Foundation The Prizeincludes a $100,000
honorarium and a work of sculpture, and honorees are calledMarconi Fellows. The
Society and Prize are named in honor of Guglielmo Marconi
, a Nobel laureate and one of the pioneers of radio.
· Also known as A J Paulraj, he is the pioneer of abreakthrough wireless
technology known as MIMO (multiple input, multipleoutput) that dramatically
increases performance of wireless systems. MIMO is now core technology inlatest
WiFi and LTE systems.
· Arogyaswami J Paulraj was born in Pollachi near Coimbatore,India. He joined
the IndianNavy at age 15 through the National Defence Academy, Kharakvalsa
andserved the Navy for 30 years. Paulraj received his bachelor’s degree in
electrical engineering fromthe Naval College of Engineering, Lonavala, India,
and his doctorate in electricalengineering from the Indian Institute of
Technology, New Delhi.
He is currently a Professor Emeritus at the Dept. of Elect.Engineering,
Stanford University.
· The story goes that in 1970, Stanford Prof. ThomasKailath, a brilliant and
influential systems theorist who is himself aPune-native, visited IIT Delhi to
lecture on non-linear estimation. Inspired byKailath's lectures, Paul went on
to make fundamental advances in the area muchto the Indian Navy's benefit. In
1971, after the war with Pakistan exposedshortcomings of the Navy's (British
origin) sonars leading to the loss of aNaval ship, Paul led a successful
project to redesign the sonar adding many newsignal processing concepts. Three
years later the new technology was widelydeployed in the fleet.
· Paulraj wasissued a patent for the MIMO concept in 1994. He faced skepticism
from industry and fundingsources and practical application of the technology
was not seen until theearly 2000s. Among the obstacles, digital transmission
was needed to fully exploitthe potential of MIMO, but the U.S. wireless
industry was still predominantlyanalog at the time.
· However, Paulraj persisted and held annualworkshops at Stanford on the
technology that eventually helped interest in MIMOand spatial multiplexing take
hold.Paulraj’s MIMO technology is now crucial to local area and mobilewireless
communications. MIMO allows both higher data rates and widercoverage areas.
MIMO technology involves using multiple antennas at both thetransmit station
and the receive station. Paulraj first developed the idea ofMIMO in 1992 while
at Stanford University.
Awards and Honours
· Visiting / Honorary Professorships
·
Imperial College, London
· Beijing Institute of Post and Telegraph, Beijing
· Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi
· Paulraj is the author of over 400 research papers,two text books and a
co-inventor in 59 US patents.
· He is a fellow of seven scientific academiesincluding the US National Academy
of Engineering and the Royal Swedish Academyof Engineering Sciences. He is a
fellow of IEEE and AAAS.
· During his 30 years in the Indian (Navy)(1961-1991), he founded three
national level laboratories in India and headedone of India’s most successful
military R&D projects – APSOH sonar. Hereceived over a dozen awards (many at
the national level) in India includingthe Padma Bhushan, Ati Vishist Seva Medal
and the VASVIK Medal.
ProfessionalAwards
· 2014 Marconi Prize and Fellowship
· 2011 IEEE Alexander Graham Bell Medal [ The BellMedal is the highest IEEE
honor for achievements in telecommunications sciencesand engineering.]
· 2011 Pan-IIT Technology Leadership Award
· 2010 Padma Bhushan (Civilian National Award -India)
· 2003 IEEE SP Society Technical Achievement Award
· 1998 Distinguished Alumnus Award, Indian Instituteof Technology, Delhi 1985
Scientist of the Year (Awarded by Government ofIndia)
· 1983 Ati Vishist Seva Medal (National Award,Military - India)
· 1982 VASVIK Gold Medal (Industry Innovation -India)
· 1974 V.K. Jain Memorial Gold Medal (Navy Award -India)
· 1974 Vishist Seva Medal (National Award, Military -India)
· 1973 CNS Medal (Navy Award - India)
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