It wasn't a discussion of killing, but besting in a conflict. I still maintain that given that each character is at their maximum potential, Iceman has a definite advantage. The winner of the conflict would depend entirely on who wrote the story; Batman has faced down Solomon Grundy and Bizzaro before, both of which would normally pulverize him- kind of like Wolverine or Colossus trying to face down Magneto.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Ronald Methvin <[email protected]> wrote: > She's more demi-god than human. > > New persepctive: > > Even if IM /could/ kill her, would he? Well, has IM /ever/ killed anyone? > Without his willingness to kill, I don't think he 'weaken' her enough to > win. You don't even have to ask if WW is willing to kill. > > That's why Cap Am, or even the Punisher, could beat Batman. While Cap is > reluctant to kill, he will if he has to. Batman will always have > to holdback. > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Edward Crosby <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Edward Crosby <[email protected]> > Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re: Wonder Woman versus Iceman (Bobby Drake) > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 1:24 PM > > I think I still have to vote for Iceman in this battle, despite the facts > presented. > I don't know that much about Wonder Woman but can you tell me this: Is she > human? If so, how much of the human body contains water? Does water > freeze? Does Iceman freeze water? What happens to a block of ice when a > large traveling object hits it? > I rest my case. > > -- > > Have a Better One, > Edward Crosby > http://www.edwardcrosby.com > http://www.techdiffpodcast.com > >> >> I am in the midst of a heated debate in regards to this...welcoming >> any and all comments. Shout out to E-Boogie....See below..... >> >> A mutant, Iceman has the ability of cryokinesis where he can freeze >> anything around him and can also turn his body into ice. >> >> Diana also can endure the vacuum of space which is VERY COLD! Not to >> mention Diana could take his bitch ass down with the lasso. The Lasso >> can do more than make people tell the truth. Wonder Woman has used >> her lasso to create a ring of protective fire around people to protect >> them from Circe's bestiamorphs. It can also put forth a massive >> magically psychic attack on his soul that would even break down >> Bobby's Xavier honed mental defenses. >> >> Iceman possesses the power to radically decrease the temperature of >> ambient water vapor in his immediate environment, thereby freezing it >> into ice. In this manner he is able to quickly form a great variety of >> ice structures, including projectiles, shields, ladders, baseball >> bats, etc. >> >> WW's got her bracelets to protect her. The Vambraces were formed from >> Zeus' legendary Aegis shield. They are indestructible, and can absorb >> the impact of incoming attacks. She has been able to shrug off high >> powered rifle shots. Not to mention they can emit a high powered >> energy blast that has made Superman's ears bleed. She surely could >> deflect a little bit of ice, that is if she even lets him hit her. >> And all that other fancy shit he can make into ice, Diana could break >> those "weapons" with her TIARA! >> >> He can also transform his body from a gaseous state back to a solid, >> although it is physically and mentally taxing. >> >> He's gonna be real tired, then. >> >> Aside from his superhuman powers, Iceman is also a fair hand-to-hand >> combatant, and received combat training at Xavier's School as well as >> coaching from the Black Widow while serving with the Champions of Los >> Angeles. Iceman has as much combat training as Cyclops or Beast. >> >> A "fair" hand-to-hand combatant? WW's combat prowess far > exceeds IM. >> She has been given mastery over the Amazonian fighting style which has >> been honed for 3000 years. This includes strategy and tactics. Not >> to mention almost god-like strength. Even beating Super Girl. She >> would easily surpass Colossus (one of the strongest mutants I am aware >> of). >> >> Iceman has also been able to move rapidly to another distant location >> while in his organic ice form, being able to deposit his bodily mass >> into a river and reconstitute his entire mass a great distance away in >> a matter of minutes (by temporarily merging his molecules with those >> of the river). >> >> Diana can fly at sub light speeds, she's blessed with the speed of >> Hermes. Okay so he can turn to water and/or vapor and survive. This >> maybe makes him very hard to knock out, in theory. But, his powers >> are very 'water' based. With Diana's massive mobility, she > could >> quickly move the fight to a dessert or even space (no water >> there...and turning to water or vapor would quickly dissipate him). >> >> In conclusion... >> >> In WW, we have superior strength, speed, skill, toughness, and >> intelligence. She would be capable of dodging/blocking or surviving >> most any attach Iceman could throw. And, while his 'Organic Ice" > is >> tough it is no where even in the same galaxy as her abilities. >> >> >> On Mar 26, 11:54 am, Terry Morton <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I agree with Cary. Iceman has one of the most inconsistent > power-levels >>> in >>> comics. If he's at his peak, I give it to Iceman; otherwise, > Wonder >>> Woman >>> should beat him pretty handily. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Cary Preston > <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Depends on what version of each character you're talking > about. I >>> > don't follow any DC mainstream titles, but Iceman has had a > pretty >>> > wide range of power level. From the "walking snowman" > of the early >>> > Xmen comics to the solid ice power-amplified version thanks to > Loki or >>> > when the White Queen took over his body and demonstrated just how >>> > powerful he can be. >>> >>> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Vanessa > <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > > Blow for blow - Who would win?- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Unique Geek" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
