Please note that (at least at the time of this post) Webmail Author
has made b56 available - he has been busy - and many thanks for the
great support we get.

On Nov 23, 5:15 pm, tjtechster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FYI:  received a quick reply from hotmail support and now
> haveregained  access to my account..
> Just tested b54, and it is worked correctly..  The looping was
> obviously related to the login issue..
>
> Will install b55, but not sure if I'll be able to test it tonight...
>
> Thanks for listening and helping resolve this issue..
>
> Hopefully Webmail Author get to take some well deserved time off, and
> relish his accomplishment, before MS decides to make further changes..
>
> Thanks for the effort..
>
> tj
>
> On Nov 23, 10:23 am, alanrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I doubt Hotmail will be sympathetic since they do not support these
> > extensions.
> > They wish you to pay for Hotmail Plus if you want to use it with POP/
> > SMTP access in Thunderbird.
>
> > The b55 version has corrected the looping condition.
>
> > On Nov 23, 9:04 am, tjtechster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the followthru, will test it out as soon as I have access
> > > to my hotmail account again.. Seems that it's either been hijacked or
> > > the credentials have been corrupted on the server, as I can no longer
> > > log into my account, and none of the online recovery operations seem
> > > to work either..
>
> > > What I have learned since my last post is that the extension does NOT
> > > time out when it receives messages to the effect of: "You've tried to
> > > sign in too many times with an incorrect e-mail address or password".
> > > So it just repeats the login process..
>
> > > I have reported the issue to hotmail support, and hope to have it
> > > resolved soon..
>
> > > Thanks to both  you and Webmail Author for all the work..
>
> > > On Nov 22, 6:26 pm, alanrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I do not know if this will assist you.
>
> > > > Both of the Hotmail accounts that were looping were ones I went to on
> > > > the Web interface today to change their passwords.
>
> > > > Both ceased to work after I had logged on to them on the Web.  It then
> > > > became clear that both were looping at the attempt by the extension to
> > > > logon.
>
> > > > Both are now working again with b54.  When the account is working
> > > > (with b54) I can provoke the looping to occur again by going to Web
> > > > interface and changing the password of the account.
>
> > > > What also seems to be a reproducible way of ending the loop (at least
> > > > for me) is:
>
> > > > In Thunderbird - remove the password for the Hotmail account
> > > > Close Thunderbird
> > > > Restart Thunderbird - I am then prompted for the password and the
> > > > extension logs on correctly (without looping).
>
> > > > I offer this in case you want to try it out (or in case any other
> > > > readers of this thread are experiencing the looping problem - which
> > > > they may just see as "nothing is happening").  Given that you maintain
> > > > very few messages in your Hotmail accounts the problem fixed by b54 is
> > > > not urgent to you and you may wish to wait for the Webmail Author to
> > > > review the information and, most likely, provide a newer version.
>
> > > > On Nov 22, 5:48 pm, alanrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I have indeed read your messages - and that is why I have continued
> > > > > testing today with b54 (which was working perfectly with all my
> > > > > Hotmail accounts).
>
> > > > > I have now managed to reproduce the condition I believe you are seeing
> > > > > on a couple of my Hotmail accounts.  In it the Hotmail extension is in
> > > > > a looping condition trying to login to the Hotmail account and, as you
> > > > > report, the logs are increasing in size at a rapid rate.
>
> > > > > This extension is prone to break when Hotmail makes changes - and they
> > > > > do not apply those changes to all accounts at once but stagger them.
> > > > > Like me you have probably been seeing the messages from Hotmail Live
> > > > > advising of further changes coming along. It is possible that is the
> > > > > result of one of those changes and that the accounts owned by the
> > > > > Webmail Author have not yet been included.
>
> > > > > I have forwarded a log of the problem to the Webmail Author.
>
> > > > > On Nov 22, 8:10 am, tjtechster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > BluesRenegade..
>
> > > > > > Appreciate your attempt to help, but did you even read my  previous
> > > > > > posts??
>
> > > > > > There is NO mail, either read or unread in any of my folders..
> > > > > > period..
> > > > > > My preferences are setup as you recommended.. and have been since
> > > > > > b49..
>
> > > > > > AS I previously stated, there is a loop between the hotmail login 
> > > > > > AND
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > cookie manager, that NEVER errors out, and runs indefinitely..
>
> > > > > > I have possibly traced the problem to issue with a corrupted PW file
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > the hotmail server, but am waiting for a  reply from hotmail 
> > > > > > support..
>
> > > > > > Granted, I may have a problem with the hotmail server, but there 
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > an endless loop issue with the extension..
>
> > > > > > I am just surprised that there is no interest in this looping
> > > > > > problem,
> > > > > > and everyone is content to have the extension kinda working?
>
> > > > > > Not trying to "rain on the parade", but without effective error
> > > > > > checking,
> > > > > > the extension can cause other issues that may be hard to 
> > > > > > troubleshoot
> > > > > > for the average user..
>
> > > > > > Thanks again for all the comments..
>
> > > > > > tj
>
> > > > > > On Nov 21, 9:51 pm, alanrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > tjjechster,
>
> > > > > > > you are going to have to learn to accept that there is a very 
> > > > > > > serious
> > > > > > > flaw in b49 that is fixed in b53, b54 and beyond and that there 
> > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > escaping its consequences.
>
> > > > > > > b49 and its predecessors were (it happens - sadly) deliquent in
> > > > > > > reporting to Thunderbird the full nature of the Thunderbird 
> > > > > > > server.
> > > > > > > b53 and b54 do report  (as required by the POP protocol) the full
> > > > > > > extent of the Thunderbird server.  The result is, that many users 
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > experience a huge re-download - once only - of the contents of the
> > > > > > > Thunderbird server and its consequent CPU and potential file 
> > > > > > > overload
> > > > > > > (and very noticeable in the Webmail logs) .
>
> > > > > > > There are alternatives.
>
> > > > > > > They are:
>
> > > > > > > 1) Move all current Inbox messages on the Hotmail server to a 
> > > > > > > custom
> > > > > > > folder (do *not* define this folder in the folder selection of the
> > > > > > > Hotmail extension)
> > > > > > > 2) Use the "download unread messages only" option for the Hotmail
> > > > > > > account in the Webmail Hotmail extension - normally I would never
> > > > > > > recommend this unfortunate option (which is not in keeping with 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > POP protocol) but it will save you a lot of grief in recovering 
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > this problem.  However, using this option will mean that 
> > > > > > > absolutely no
> > > > > > > deletions you make in Thunderbird can be actioned on the Hotmail
> > > > > > > server.
> > > > > > > 3) I have examined some other options that require some effort but
> > > > > > > that avoid (1) and (2) above - for any reader interested please 
> > > > > > > let me
> > > > > > > know and we can discuss.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 21, 10:31 am, BluesRenegade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Webmail Author,
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your constant work to keep up with all the changes 
> > > > > > > > that MSN
> > > > > > > > and Yahoo keep making to their webmail sites!
>
> > > > > > > > I really appreciate all you do to keep us on Thunderbird. :)
>
> > > > > > > > Since getting the 19b54 version, Hotmail seems to working right 
> > > > > > > > again.  
> > > > > > > > YAY!!!  (Something it hasn't done since Nov. 4th here.)
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks again!
>
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
>
> > > > > > > > To those still having trouble,
>
> > > > > > > > I suggest you visit your Hotmail account, login and see what 
> > > > > > > > happens.
>
> > > > > > > > If ANY intermediate windows or prompts come up, make sure you 
> > > > > > > > check them
> > > > > > > > to never show up again or remember your choice (whatever it 
> > > > > > > > takes to
> > > > > > > > prevent them from re-occurring).
>
> > > > > > > > Any extraneous prompts, windows, etc. AFTER you login, will 
> > > > > > > > surely hang
> > > > > > > > Webmail for TB, and cause it to fail to retrieve your mail.
>
> > > > > > > > Hope that helps!
>
> > > > > > > > John
>
> > > > > > > > =========================
>
> > > > > > > > tjtechster wrote:
> > > > > > > > > alanrf;
> > > > > > > > > Appreciate the clarification, but I was reading between the 
> > > > > > > > > lines of
> > > > > > > > > your last post..
> > > > > > > > > As I previously stated, NO emails in my Inbox... and nothing 
> > > > > > > > > in any of
> > > > > > > > > the other folders either..
> > > > > > > > > No custom folders, only original folders created during the 
> > > > > > > > > "create
> > > > > > > > > account" process..
> > > > > > > > > totally clean and empty..
>
> > > > > > > > > Just to be concise, I am also using web-mail-1-3-3b3 and will 
> > > > > > > > > be happy
> > > > > > > > > to send the hotmail & cookie manager logs to anyone that can 
> > > > > > > > > decipher
> > > > > > > > > them..
>
> > > > > > > > > FYI,  This is being done at the request of one of my clients..
>
> > > > > > > > > thanks for the followup..
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 21, 12:43 am, alanrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> I really should be more precise in my questions. The 
> > > > > > > > >> question should
> > > > > > > > >> have been:
>
> > > > > > > > >> Do you have a large number of messages in the total of your 
> > > > > > > > >> Inbox and
> > > > > > > > >> any custom folders you have also asked the Hotmail extension 
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >> download?
>
> > > > > > > > >> On Nov 21, 12:01 am, tjtechster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >>> I do not have a large inbox in hotmail, in fact, it's 
> > > > > > > > >>> empty..
> > > > > > > > >>> As I previously stated the b49 version is working fine with 
> > > > > > > > >>> the
>
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