I understand your concern - And I have a similar situation with my teacher collegues. It's not that they are not open towards new things - they just need to be sure not to go in a wrong direction, therefore they need to have a tool that is so simple that they don't have to think in terms of "coding" - and I need to show to them a TW that "just works" and is intuitive for someone who doesn't even consider to write hyperlinks themselves.
The TW that I think is the easiest to use and navigate in is Dave Giffords Nobrainernotes. http://www.giffmex.org/nobrainernotes.html It has an inbuilt hieracy of Maintopic - subtopic and notes. (Again you can redefine what these terms stands for) I'm sure it would be quite easy for you to adapt it to your task - as I have been able to do so myself for many different purposes.. Here are a few examples (again in Danish...sorry about that): 1) http://simplenoter.tiddlyspot.com: Almost "just" a translation of D. Giffords nobrainernotes http://www.giffmex.org/nobrainernotes.html 2) As I have used it in my ReligionClass: http://etik.tiddlyspot.com - 2b) Preparation for exam (not finished yet): http://kristendom.tiddlyspot.com 3) For my danish class to prepare them for the finishing exam this summer: http://opgivelser.tiddlyspot.com As you can see it is quite easy to do very different things with the same tools... Hope you find out to do it with TW. YS Måns Mårtensson On May 9, 2:18 pm, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Mans, I will look at this. I can see what you mean in terms of > the layers of headings/sub-headings/sub-sub-headings held in tabs. > > I am just trying to think of how to make a new tiddler in awya that it > is very quick and easy to tag it correctly (the people using this will > not be technophiles and many are frankly technophobes!) > > Dickon > > On May 8, 1:03 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I would recommend you to download Morris Grays > > version:http://twtudu.tiddlyspot.com/ > > Then you could rename the three different layers in the GTD section > > (including tabGoals, tabProjects, tabTasks and the > > newtiddlerdefinitions as well) > > This way you would get a new hieracy of things. > > It will give you some nicely arranged lists with sliders for each > > listitem with submenus. > > Goals could be redifined to: "the broad problem area" > > Projects could be "sub-headings within that broader > > topic" (topic:Goal) > > Tasks could be "tasks" or what ever - that again could use the > > statuses, that you define yourself... > > The sliders for goals, projects and tabs can be redefined to reflect > > what you need.. > > > You can "testdrive" the possibilities just using it as it is - > > modifications can be done later - maybe it's just small adjustments > > and you don't have to change the goals, projects and tasks system > > fundamentally... > > > However - I did in this adaption: (sorry it's in > > danish):http://gdsskole.tiddlyspot.com > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > On May 8, 11:03 am, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OK, I had a look - I can see that as a layout this has great > > > advantages and may be just the kind of thing to use, certainly for > > > when a practitioner is using the [[How do we...?]] portal into the > > > manual. However, I am concerned about how we manage the *inputting* > > > of new data (new "problems" that teams define in their team meetings/ > > > discussions). > > > > We want teams to be able to log new problems as much as possible in > > > "real time" - during their meetings - using an LCD projector so that > > > the manual is not just a teaching/professional development aid, but > > > also a version of the team meeting minutes (in this way teams come to > > > identify in a much more engaged and visceral way with "their" version > > > of the manual, so that it becomes a more active focus of their > > > collaborative thinking and team identity) ...THUS... we need a way for > > > them to **quickly and simply** define the broad problem area (is it a > > > "manage CLIENT RELATIONSHIP" problem, or one relating to "Manage TEAM > > > WORKING" or a "Manage CLINICAL PROBLEM", etc, etc?) - and then locate > > > this *specific* problem under one of a variety of sub-headings within > > > that broader topic heading (or construct a new one)... this selecting > > > process then generates a ready-tagged 'new tiddler' that will > > > automatically slot in to the nicely tabbed layout in the [[How do > > > we...?]] section that you have pointed me towards already. any > > > thoughts/help welcome! > > > > Best > > > > Dickon > > > > On May 8, 7:15 am, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thankyou for all this helpful advice, Mans - much obliged. I will > > > > look into the examples you suggest. Very happy for you to look in > > > > over the coming weeks/months and see how we are getting on! > > > > > Dickon > > > > > On 8 May, 02:00, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > For a very complete and beautiful example of using tabs in a mainmenu > > > > > you can check out Morris Grays adaption (twtudu) or Dave Giffords > > > > > (tiddlydu3). > > > > > You might even be able to adapt one of them to your project - getting > > > > > new tools through the projects/goals and tasks management.... > > > > > Morris Grays version:http://twtudu.tiddlyspot.com/ > > > > > Dave Giffords original tiddlydu3 (also with > > > > > tabs)http://www.giffmex.org/tiddlydu3.html > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > On May 8, 2:39 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You might also replace the taglists (<<tag SomeTagName>>) with tabs, > > > > > > and in the tabs have next layer of data, links etc... > > > > > > > Something like this: > > > > > > +++[ButtonTitle]...<<tiddler ShowTabsForTags with: {{tiddler.title}} > > > > > > {{"SomeTagName"}} >>+++ > > > > > > > ShowTabsForTags is also from Eric Shulmans repository of plugins and > > > > > > scripts:http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ShowTabsForTags > > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > On May 8, 2:28 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dickon > > > > > > > > Maybe you are looking for something like: > > > > > > > NestedSlidersPluginhttp://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPlugin > > > > > > > > Read about it here:http://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPluginInfo > > > > > > > > From what I understand, reading the documentation, it is possible > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have several layers in the sliders - links, tooltips, embedded > > > > > > > tiddlers, asf... > > > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > > On May 7, 5:53 pm, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > At the TiddlyWeb project for manualizing a complex set of > > > > > > > > interventions with young people in severe psychiatric difficulty > > > > > > > > (TiddlyManuals) I am moving forwards into using this with real > > > > > > > > teams > > > > > > > > now, which is exciting (and not just for me, but for them, too!) > > > > > > > > > The TiddlyManual approach is a dynamic manualization that > > > > > > > > marries > > > > > > > > evidence-based material drawn from different "schools" of > > > > > > > > thought with > > > > > > > > the "bottom-up" lived experience of teams working in often > > > > > > > > chaotic > > > > > > > > places with quite chaotic kids. During team meetings and > > > > > > > > discussion, > > > > > > > > using an LCD projector, we enter various real problems or > > > > > > > > dilemmas > > > > > > > > that these workers encounter into their local "template > > > > > > > > manual", and > > > > > > > > then marry these up to existing evidence-based material in the > > > > > > > > manual > > > > > > > > - moving from a "Do therapy 'x' because the theory states you > > > > > > > > should" > > > > > > > > position to a "When this happens again, in our experience these > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > help" position - a subtle but important shift of emphasis, > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > that teams become co-authors of their own practice manual. > > > > > > > > > The problem: > > > > > > > > > We generate long lists of problems. (In the manual > > > > > > > > athttp://imp.peermore.com/imp/recipes/imp/tiddlers.wikigoto"How > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > we...?" on the left side of the mainmenu above the top, and > > > > > > > > then look > > > > > > > > at the drop down menu for, say, "Manage Clinical Problems") > > > > > > > > What are > > > > > > > > already quite long drop-down menus will be rapidly getting much > > > > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > as new sub-problems are added, which is going to get clumsy. > > > > > > > > > Solution sought: > > > > > > > > > How can I set up sub-menus, so that when I look through the > > > > > > > > drop down > > > > > > > > menu associated with <<tag [[Manage Clinical Problems]]>> I can > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > click on, say <<tag Anxiety>> and a sub-menu unfolds to the > > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > the first drop down menu, with sub-headings about alcohol, so > > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > could then select say "Avoidance" from a list of > > > > > > > > anxiety-specific sub- > > > > > > > > problems that might also include "Panic attacks", "Anxiety and > > > > > > > > violence" etc etc... > > > > > > > > > Hope I have made that clear enough. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Dickon Bevington --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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