Yes - I can see that this is the sort of thing that I am after - with the capacity to "create a new sub-topic here".
I will not have time to make these changes for a while but can see that this is almost certainly the direction to head in. Thanks Mans. By the way - I liked your own materials - very interesting (I was a comparative theologian before doing medicine!) Dickon On May 9, 2:03 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand your concern - And I have a similar situation with my > teacher collegues. > It's not that they are not open towards new things - they just need to > be sure not to go in a wrong direction, therefore they need to have a > tool that is so simple that they don't have to think in terms of > "coding" - and I need to show to them a TW that "just works" and is > intuitive for someone who doesn't even consider to write hyperlinks > themselves. > > The TW that I think is the easiest to use and navigate in is Dave > Giffords Nobrainernotes.http://www.giffmex.org/nobrainernotes.html > It has an inbuilt hieracy of Maintopic - subtopic and notes. (Again > you can redefine what these terms stands for) > > I'm sure it would be quite easy for you to adapt it to your task - as > I have been able to do so myself for many different purposes.. > Here are a few examples (again in Danish...sorry about that): > 1)http://simplenoter.tiddlyspot.com:Almost "just" a translation of > D. Giffords nobrainernoteshttp://www.giffmex.org/nobrainernotes.html > 2) As I have used it in my ReligionClass:http://etik.tiddlyspot.com- > 2b) Preparation for exam (not finished yet):http://kristendom.tiddlyspot.com > 3) For my danish class to prepare them for the finishing exam this > summer:http://opgivelser.tiddlyspot.com > > As you can see it is quite easy to do very different things with the > same tools... > > Hope you find out to do it with TW. > > YS Måns Mårtensson > > On May 9, 2:18 pm, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks Mans, I will look at this. I can see what you mean in terms of > > the layers of headings/sub-headings/sub-sub-headings held in tabs. > > > I am just trying to think of how to make a new tiddler in awya that it > > is very quick and easy to tag it correctly (the people using this will > > not be technophiles and many are frankly technophobes!) > > > Dickon > > > On May 8, 1:03 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would recommend you to download Morris Grays > > > version:http://twtudu.tiddlyspot.com/ > > > Then you could rename the three different layers in the GTD section > > > (including tabGoals, tabProjects, tabTasks and the > > > newtiddlerdefinitions as well) > > > This way you would get a new hieracy of things. > > > It will give you some nicely arranged lists with sliders for each > > > listitem with submenus. > > > Goals could be redifined to: "the broad problem area" > > > Projects could be "sub-headings within that broader > > > topic" (topic:Goal) > > > Tasks could be "tasks" or what ever - that again could use the > > > statuses, that you define yourself... > > > The sliders for goals, projects and tabs can be redefined to reflect > > > what you need.. > > > > You can "testdrive" the possibilities just using it as it is - > > > modifications can be done later - maybe it's just small adjustments > > > and you don't have to change the goals, projects and tasks system > > > fundamentally... > > > > However - I did in this adaption: (sorry it's in > > > danish):http://gdsskole.tiddlyspot.com > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > On May 8, 11:03 am, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > OK, I had a look - I can see that as a layout this has great > > > > advantages and may be just the kind of thing to use, certainly for > > > > when a practitioner is using the [[How do we...?]] portal into the > > > > manual. However, I am concerned about how we manage the *inputting* > > > > of new data (new "problems" that teams define in their team meetings/ > > > > discussions). > > > > > We want teams to be able to log new problems as much as possible in > > > > "real time" - during their meetings - using an LCD projector so that > > > > the manual is not just a teaching/professional development aid, but > > > > also a version of the team meeting minutes (in this way teams come to > > > > identify in a much more engaged and visceral way with "their" version > > > > of the manual, so that it becomes a more active focus of their > > > > collaborative thinking and team identity) ...THUS... we need a way for > > > > them to **quickly and simply** define the broad problem area (is it a > > > > "manage CLIENT RELATIONSHIP" problem, or one relating to "Manage TEAM > > > > WORKING" or a "Manage CLINICAL PROBLEM", etc, etc?) - and then locate > > > > this *specific* problem under one of a variety of sub-headings within > > > > that broader topic heading (or construct a new one)... this selecting > > > > process then generates a ready-tagged 'new tiddler' that will > > > > automatically slot in to the nicely tabbed layout in the [[How do > > > > we...?]] section that you have pointed me towards already. any > > > > thoughts/help welcome! > > > > > Best > > > > > Dickon > > > > > On May 8, 7:15 am, dickon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Thankyou for all this helpful advice, Mans - much obliged. I will > > > > > look into the examples you suggest. Very happy for you to look in > > > > > over the coming weeks/months and see how we are getting on! > > > > > > Dickon > > > > > > On 8 May, 02:00, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > For a very complete and beautiful example of using tabs in a > > > > > > mainmenu > > > > > > you can check out Morris Grays adaption (twtudu) or Dave Giffords > > > > > > (tiddlydu3). > > > > > > You might even be able to adapt one of them to your project - > > > > > > getting > > > > > > new tools through the projects/goals and tasks management.... > > > > > > Morris Grays version:http://twtudu.tiddlyspot.com/ > > > > > > Dave Giffords original tiddlydu3 (also with > > > > > > tabs)http://www.giffmex.org/tiddlydu3.html > > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > On May 8, 2:39 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You might also replace the taglists (<<tag SomeTagName>>) with > > > > > > > tabs, > > > > > > > and in the tabs have next layer of data, links etc... > > > > > > > > Something like this: > > > > > > > +++[ButtonTitle]...<<tiddler ShowTabsForTags with: > > > > > > > {{tiddler.title}} > > > > > > > {{"SomeTagName"}} >>+++ > > > > > > > > ShowTabsForTags is also from Eric Shulmans repository of plugins > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > scripts:http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#ShowTabsForTags > > > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2:28 am, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Dickon > > > > > > > > > Maybe you are looking for something like: > > > > > > > > NestedSlidersPluginhttp://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPlugin > > > > > > > > > Read about it > > > > > > > > here:http://tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPluginInfo > > > > > > > > > From what I understand, reading the documentation, it is > > > > > > > > possible to > > > > > > > > have several layers in the sliders - links, tooltips, embedded > > > > > > > > tiddlers, asf... > > > > > > > > > Regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > > > > > > On May 7, 5:53 pm, dickon <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > At the TiddlyWeb project for manualizing a complex set of > > > > > > > > > interventions with young people in severe psychiatric > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > (TiddlyManuals) I am moving forwards into using this with > > > > > > > > > real teams > > > > > > > > > now, which is exciting (and not just for me, but for them, > > > > > > > > > too!) > > > > > > > > > > The TiddlyManual approach is a dynamic manualization that > > > > > > > > > marries > > > > > > > > > evidence-based material drawn from different "schools" of > > > > > > > > > thought with > > > > > > > > > the "bottom-up" lived experience of teams working in often > > > > > > > > > chaotic > > > > > > > > > places with quite chaotic kids. During team meetings and > > > > > > > > > discussion, > > > > > > > > > using an LCD projector, we enter various real problems or > > > > > > > > > dilemmas > > > > > > > > > that these workers encounter into their local "template > > > > > > > > > manual", and > > > > > > > > > then marry these up to existing evidence-based material in > > > > > > > > > the manual > > > > > > > > > - moving from a "Do therapy 'x' because the theory states you > > > > > > > > > should" > > > > > > > > > position to a "When this happens again, in our experience > > > > > > > > > these things > > > > > > > > > help" position - a subtle but important shift of emphasis, > > > > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > that teams become co-authors of their own practice manual. > > > > > > > > > > The problem: > > > > > > > > > > We generate long lists of problems. (In the manual > > > > > > > > > athttp://imp.peermore.com/imp/recipes/imp/tiddlers.wikigoto"How > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > we...?" on the left side of the mainmenu above the top, and > > > > > > > > > then look > > > > > > > > > at the drop down menu for, say, "Manage Clinical Problems") > > > > > > > > > What are > > > > > > > > > already quite long drop-down menus will be rapidly getting > > > > > > > > > much longer > > > > > > > > > as new sub-problems are added, which is going to get clumsy. > > > > > > > > > > Solution sought: > > > > > > > > > > How can I set up sub-menus, so that when I look through the > > > > > > > > > drop down > > > > > > > > > menu associated with <<tag [[Manage Clinical Problems]]>> I > > > > > > > > > can then > > > > > > > > > click on, say <<tag Anxiety>> and a sub-menu unfolds to the > > > > > > > > > side of > > > > > > > > > the first drop down menu, with sub-headings about alcohol, so > > > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > could then select say "Avoidance" from a list of > > > > > > > > > anxiety-specific sub- > > > > > > > > > problems that might also include "Panic attacks", "Anxiety and > > > > > > > > > violence" etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > Hope I have made that clear enough. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Dickon Bevington --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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