Thanks to everyone for joining the discussion. It's wonderful to hear people being passionate about TiddlyWiki, and caring about its future. The frustration is also clear, but, being an optimistic sort of person, I can't help but think that we can figure out a way forward that meets the needs of everyone.
It feels as though a common thread is a gap between users and developers, and perhaps more particularly the developers that work for Osmosoft. There's been a lack of communication, and I do rather feel responsible for it. When TiddlyWiki started I was one of the most frequent posters to the groups. It didn't take long for Eric and others to overtake me in posting frequency, but I was still very much present. After joining BT and building up Osmosoft into a proper team, I inevitably had far less time to spend in the groups. It wasn't entirely unexpected that that would happen, and I hoped that it would be a fair exchange for being able to hire people to work on TiddlyWiki-related things. There's a lot more to say, but it's late, and possibly best said in another thread anyway. I wanted to acknowledge that I'm reading all this, and thinking about it deeply. I'll try to post some more coherent thoughts in a day or two, and thanks for bearing with the discussion. Best wishes Jeremy On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:25 AM, wolfgang<[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would add one other thing that I think someone -- Wolfgang? -- who >> has more right to speak up than me -- the lack of documentation. The >> fact that an application like TiddlyWiki should have been around so >> long without systematic documentation of features, components, >> guidance regarding customization, etc., etc., is a bit on the >> ridiculous side. E.g., What exactly does a StyleSheet control? How's >> it related to PageTemplate? And on and on and on. >> > > I think this assessment isn't fair Eric. After all, TiddlyWiki is an > OpenSource project with manpower too limited - considering the number > of projects all going at the same time. And one has to wonder, how > beside all these tasks, there was still some time left for actually > advancing the core. Open source projects stands or fall with the > contributions of a community. And this need has been met with help > TiddlyWikis of various individuals, and the unheard of help shoveled > on us here at GG: > > TiddlerToddler > http://tiddlertoddler.tiddlyspot.com/ > TiddlyWiki Tips > http://tiddlywikitips.com/ > TiddlyWiki Tutorial - the basics > http://www.blogjones.com/TiddlyWikiTutorial.html > TiddlyWiki for the rest of us > http://www.giffmex.org/twfortherestofus.html > TiddlyWiki Help - a comprehensive guide > http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/ > Questions and Answers on TiddlyWiki > http://twfaq.tiddlyspot.com/ > Tiddly faqs > http://www.tiddlytools.com/faq.html > TiddlyWiki.org Wiki > http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > Looking at it from a different angle, maybe other forces might be at > work we are not even be aware of, as the core developers close to > Osmosoft are. > > Just made a quick survey of the last systemConfig update of all major > systemServers: > > 7 July 2009 > http://www.tiddlytools.com/ > > 3 June 2009 > http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/ > > 14 April 2009 > http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/ > > 6 Maio 2009 > http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~psoares/addons.html > > 12 January 2009 > http://ptw.sourceforge.net/ptwe.html > > 30 September 2008 > http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/ > > 2 July 2008 > http://jackparke.googlepages.com/jtw.html > > 5 April 2008 > http://tw.lewcid.org/ > > 18 January 2008 > http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html > > 26 January 2007 > http://bradleymeck.tiddlyspot.com/ > > 23 January 2007 > http://tiddlystyles.com/ > > 26 December 2006 > http://solo.dc3.com/tw/ > > down at the moment: > http://www.martinswiki.com/ > > > But these dates still don't reveal the sad truth that the only one > which still came forwards with innovations during the last year is > only TiddlyTools! > >> >> The seeds to this potential unraveling were sown when the decision was >> made to drastically change the TiddlyWiki core and subject all users >> to the vagueness of unfinished software on a regular basis for months >> or years. >> > > Sure, all working at Osmosoft must be aware of this drainage of > contributing developers. And this blunt inclusion of jQuery library > into the core might only be a desperate attempt to avert a black hole, > without wanting to this communicate for good reasons? > > best wishes.. > > > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
